Finland - USA 2-0

"Yama" wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
.. .
: "Yama" wrote:
: :On a plus side, odds of getting gunned down are considerably smaller...
:
: Well, odds of getting 'gunned down' here aren't significantly higher
: than they are in Britain, if one starts off with the assumption that
: one isn't a gang banger. Stay out of really bad neighborhoods and
: avoid egregiously stupid behaviour like trying to frighten and
: ignoring the warnings of armed people in their own homes and your odds
: are much greater of slipping and falling to death in the bathtub than
: they are of being 'gunned down'.
:
:I don't quite see how this counters my point - "bad neighborhoods" exist in
:all countries...

Yes, but most folks don't live in them, so your odds aren't
appreciably different here than they are anywhere else.

:PS: Faith is better than Buffy

Hotter, certainly. But Buffy got most of the good lines.


--
"Adrenaline is like exercise, but without the excessive gym fees."
-- Professor Walsh, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on the
ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2 'Darwins' here -
driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our two counties here in
CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the same weekend. Dumbth
coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution. I
just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach stitching for
obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also, the current tool
for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about 100,000 a year,
excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined. That'll give you
something to think about as the anesthesia takes hold - 'wonder if
I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where I'll wake up?'

On 2 Nov 2003 12:11:47 -0800, (WaltBJ) wrote:

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on the
ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2 'Darwins' here -
driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our two counties here in
CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the same weekend. Dumbth
coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution. I
just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach stitching for
obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also, the current tool
for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about 100,000 a year,
excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined. That'll give you
something to think about as the anesthesia takes hold - 'wonder if
I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where I'll wake up?'

Walt

If I lived in europe I would have been dead thirteen years ago. Their
medical care system is pathetic compared to what it could be.
It is no wonder that so many docs in the US are from the EU or
Canada.

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On 2 Nov 2003 12:11:47 -0800, (WaltBJ)
wrote:

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on
the ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2
'Darwins' here - driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our
two counties here in CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the
same weekend. Dumbth coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution.
I just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach
stitching for obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also,
the current tool for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about
100,000 a year, excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined.
That'll give you something to think about as the anesthesia
takes hold - 'wonder if I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where
I'll wake up?'

Walt

If I lived in europe I would have been dead thirteen years ago.
Their medical care system is pathetic compared to what it could
be. It is no wonder that so many docs in the US are from the EU
or Canada.

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On 2 Nov 2003 12:11:47 -0800, (WaltBJ)
wrote:

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on
the ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2
'Darwins' here - driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our
two counties here in CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the
same weekend. Dumbth coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution.
I just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach
stitching for obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also,
the current tool for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about
100,000 a year, excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined.
That'll give you something to think about as the anesthesia
takes hold - 'wonder if I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where
I'll wake up?'

Walt

If I lived in europe I would have been dead thirteen years ago.
Their medical care system is pathetic compared to what it could
be. It is no wonder that so many docs in the US are from the EU
or Canada.

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Al Minyard

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" bbolsoy@
nospam.nospam wrote:
Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Provided you're adequately insured, US healthcare is by all accounts
very good.

One great benefit of living in the UK is that I don't have to worry
about my insurers causing me harm to save money, or refusing to cover my
treatment.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:39:30 +0000, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:

In message , Alan Minyard
writes
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" bbolsoy@
nospam.nospam wrote:
Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Provided you're adequately insured, US healthcare is by all accounts
very good.

One great benefit of living in the UK is that I don't have to worry
about my insurers causing me harm to save money, or refusing to cover my
treatment.

We have laws (particularly one called COBRA) that prevents any hospital
from refusing treatment on the basis of ability to pay. The vast majority of
hospitals in the US write off millions of dollars a year as uncollectable
debts.

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?



Regards...

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:17:34 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?



Regards...

They do not have the requisite number of MRIs CTs etc.
They do not have adequate ambulance services (I am
talking about the equipment, not the Paramedics). They
still have hospitals with open wards (nearly all of the hospitals
in the US are private rooms only). It is a matter of adequate
resources, research, surgical techniques etc. It is not an
accident the twins co-joined at the head/brain come
to the US from all over the world to be separated (at
no cost to the parents).

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On 2 Nov 2003 12:11:47 -0800, (WaltBJ) wrote:

What's 'really going to get you?'
1) Auto accidents. Another death here this weekend - skidded on the
ice, ejected from the car, not wearing a seat belt. 2 'Darwins' here -
driving too fast, and no seat belt. FWIW in our two counties here in
CO there were 135 ice-related accidents the same weekend. Dumbth
coefficient running high.
2) Iatrogenic deaths - due to your friendly medical institution. I
just read that in elective 'bariatric surgery' (stomach stitching for
obesity) the current death rate is 1 in 200. Also, the current tool
for medical-caused deaths in the USA is about 100,000 a year,
excelling fire arms and auto accidents combined. That'll give you
something to think about as the anesthesia takes hold - 'wonder if
I'll wake up?' or worse, 'wonder where I'll wake up?'

Walt

If I lived in europe I would have been dead thirteen years ago. Their
medical care system is pathetic compared to what it could be.


This is true. The Swedish medical system, for instance, is as pathetic
as the American one. And it doesn't have to be. It's just for
socialist ideological reasons we have it the way we do.