Discovery Flight today...unexpected results

Took 3 years of flying and just under 200 total hours for the inevitable
emergency for me. We'd just practiced emergency engine failure *two
weeks* prior, and at only 1300' AGL, having the drill freshfreshfresh in
our minds was helpful. Having been through it takes away the "I wonder
what that would be like and how I would react?" questions, but calm? I
doubt having been through it would take away the "Oh Sh*t!" part of it.

Shirl

Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten seconds
to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of the minute or
two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff (including the passengers),
briefing them that this is NOT a drill, and hitting the softest, least
expensive object you can find (in that order).

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was then
scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

Jim

Shirl:
Took 3 years of flying and just under 200 total hours for the inevitable
emergency for me. We'd just practiced emergency engine failure *two
weeks* prior, and at only 1300' AGL, having the drill freshfreshfresh in
our minds was helpful. Having been through it takes away the "I wonder
what that would be like and how I would react?" questions, but calm? I
doubt having been through it would take away the "Oh Sh*t!" part of it.

RST Engineering:
Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten seconds
to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of the minute or
two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff (including the passengers),
briefing them that this is NOT a drill, and hitting the softest, least
expensive object you can find (in that order).

Oh, I know you weren't implying that.
We had less than a minute, were busy flying the plane, getting our
emergency call made, and then shutting things off (had just topped off
the tanks and were only 6 min into the flight). If we'd had room for
passengers, there wouldn't have been time for any discussion about it,
nor did we have time to think about securing objects.

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was then
scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

Yeah, mine was totaled, 10 hrs after a near total restoration. But have
to be grateful to have walked away.

RST Engineering writes:

Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten seconds
to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of the minute or
two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff (including the passengers),
briefing them that this is NOT a drill, and hitting the softest, least
expensive object you can find (in that order).

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was then
scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency. When
pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it hardly
sounds reassuring. No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.

*No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.

LOL an oxymoron from our resident moron MX

Cheers

"WingFlaps" wrote in message
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anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.


Luck, is the point at which opportunity meets preparation.

Al G

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

RST Engineering writes:

Didn't mean to imply that. The "Oh, Shi#" takes about four to ten
seconds to realize that you are really in a pile of it. The rest of
the minute or two to impact is securing all the heavy stuff
(including the passengers), briefing them that this is NOT a drill,
and hitting the softest, least expensive object you can find (in that
order).

Done it twice, walked away both times. One with an airplane that was
then scrap and once with an unscratched airplane.

You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency.
When pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it
hardly sounds reassuring. No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who
expects an emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one
sooner or later.


Yeah, much beter to pretend they don't ever happen. Which , of course,for
you they won't!


Bertie

On Feb 14, 3:04*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency. *When
pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it hardly
sounds reassuring. *No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.


You really are doing more harm than good with posts like the above.

gliderguynj wrote:
On Feb 14, 3:04 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
You can practice many activities for a lifetime without an emergency. When
pilots all start talking about their "inevitable" emergencies, it hardly
sounds reassuring. No emergency is inevitable, and anyone who expects an
emergency to come along is likely to be gratified by one sooner or later.


You really are doing more harm than good with posts like the above.



Actually, Mxsmanic's quote here is exactly....and I repeat it again for
complete clarity....EXACTLY the antithesis of the very essence of ALL
flight training, whether you are a pleasure pilot flying every Sunday or
fly the highest performance airplanes in the world daily as a professional.

From the first day you step into an airplane until the last flight you
make as a pilot, EVERY second you spend in the training process (a
process that lasts through your entire tenure in aviation) should be
spent preparing for an emergency that might never happen and usually
doesn't.

Contrary to your fear that Mxsmanic can do harm on these groups, I am
one flight instructor who welcomes him here. It saves people like me
tons of time having someone like this right at our fingertips as a
negative example to bounce from in making the positive points needed to
impress new pilots and encourage them into creating the right attitudes
that transition into a safe flying environment.

Mxsmanic is no problem here. If I die tomorrow, there will be another
good instructor here in a nano-second taking my place doing the same
thing I've been doing here for years.

There will always be people like this character on these newsgroups.
we all know who they are, and we all know how to deal with them.
No sweat at all. In fact, it can get quite entertaining at times.

--
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques writes:

From the first day you step into an airplane until the last flight you
make as a pilot, EVERY second you spend in the training process (a
process that lasts through your entire tenure in aviation) should be
spent preparing for an emergency that might never happen and usually
doesn't.

I said nothing about practicing or preparation.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Dudley Henriques writes:

From the first day you step into an airplane until the last flight you
make as a pilot, EVERY second you spend in the training process (a
process that lasts through your entire tenure in aviation) should be
spent preparing for an emergency that might never happen and usually
doesn't.

I said nothing about practicing or preparation.

You can parse words and phrases all you want, but the fact remains; Your
post, in every sense even remotely related to aviation and flying in
particular, was ridiculous.

--
Dudley Henriques