About Stall Psychology and Pilots

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super


Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying too
much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling the yoke
back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the nosewheel down. There's
no forward nudging. The nose is going to come down eventually no matter
what.

Previously you wrote:

At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do a 3
point landing

That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for as long
as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and ease it to the
ground as gently as possible.

-c

"gatt" wrote in
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"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in message
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Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super


Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed?


To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super


Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed?

To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.

Oh, yes, how could I forget?

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and scream.
Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the right moment,
hey... 3 point landing!



-c

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super


Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed?

To recover from th eflat spin you did on approach , of course.

Oh, yes, how could I forget?

Whenever I do a flat spin on approach, I just cover my hands and scream.
Alternatively, if you throw in full power at exactly the right moment,
hey... 3 point landing!


I'm looking forward to seeing him perform on the airshow circuit.


bertie

On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in ...

Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying too
much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling the yoke
back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the nosewheel down. There's
no forward nudging. The nose is going to come down eventually no matter
what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do a 3
point landing

That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for as long
as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and ease it to the
ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in ...

Yangooooo.....listen....
Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super
Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying too
much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling the yoke
back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the nosewheel down. There's
no forward nudging. The nose is going to come down eventually no matter
what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do a 3
point landing
That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for as long
as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and ease it to the
ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Good Grief!!

I swear you're turning me into Charlie Brown, Ken.
:-)

--
Dudley Henriques

"Ken ****head Tucker" wrote in
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FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken


YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Benjamin Dover writes:

YOU don't know **** from Shineola when it comes to ground effect.

Since neither has anything to do with ground effect, why would that be a
problem?

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On Feb 22, 10:20 am, "gatt" wrote:
"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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Yangooooo.....listen....

Then nudge yoke foward. If the landing is super

Why would you have to "nudge" the yoke forward unless you're carrying
too much airspeed? In a proper Cessna 152 landing, you're pulling
the yoke back as you bleed off airspeed in order to ease the
nosewheel down. There's no forward nudging. The nose is going to
come down eventually no matter what.

Previously you wrote:
At the moment before touch-down push the yoke easy forward and I do
a 3 point landing

That puts undue stress on the nosewheel, especially in a soft-terrain
environment. Published procedure is to hold the nosewheel off for
as long as possible (which is done by pulling back on the yoke) and
ease it to the ground as gently as possible.

FWIW, I definitely agree,


FWIW? That'd be the value of the dust bunnies under my couch and the
dog's worn out chewie frog, I beleive.


I'm talking about hitting pavement.


Hey, you must be a reeeeel pile-it iffin you can talk lke that!


It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood)


Hey, the whole world is one big mystery to you Kennie!


But wait, if you understand how to land a Starfighter on a carrier, then
you must understand ground effect.

that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".


I can think of several things that the Mounties should be analysing
right about now.


Bertie

On Feb 22, 2:35 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
FWIW, I definitely agree, I'm talking about hitting pavement.
It's the ground-effect that can keep the plane floating, that
is a mysterious effect (not really well understood) that does
happen at landings, but can be used to advantage, if you're
not a *fraidy cat*.
Once the rolling air from ground effect is achieved, a new
dynamic is effective. Of course that "rolling air" needs AoA
to be maintained, so nudging forward kills the "ground effect"
and you're very near a 3 point landing.
Maybe you guys want to analyse "ground effect lift".
Ken

Ground effect is not a mystery to those who have taken
groundschools and have licenses. It's mystery to simulated "pilots."
Ground effect was well understood by aerodynamicists a long time ago,
and it's been explained in the textbooks since then.
Lowering the nose just before touchdown just reduces AOA so
that the airplane thumps onto the runway. It's not going to squeak on.
It's sloppy and stupid and damages things.

Dan