Finland - USA 2-0

Alan Minyard wrote in
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?



Regards...

On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:17:34 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?



Regards...

They do not have the requisite number of MRIs CTs etc.
They do not have adequate ambulance services (I am
talking about the equipment, not the Paramedics). They
still have hospitals with open wards (nearly all of the hospitals
in the US are private rooms only). It is a matter of adequate
resources, research, surgical techniques etc. It is not an
accident the twins co-joined at the head/brain come
to the US from all over the world to be separated (at
no cost to the parents).

Al Minyard

In article ,
Alan Minyard wrote:

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote:

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?

They do not have the requisite number of MRIs CTs etc.

For example, there are supposedly more MRI machines in Orlando, Florida
than there are in all of England - the place they were invented.

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Slam on brakes accordingly.

They do not have the requisite number of MRIs CTs etc.
They do not have adequate ambulance services (I am
talking about the equipment, not the Paramedics). They
still have hospitals with open wards (nearly all of the hospitals
in the US are private rooms only). It is a matter of adequate
resources, research, surgical techniques etc. It is not an
accident the twins co-joined at the head/brain come
to the US from all over the world to be separated (at
no cost to the parents).

It would be interesting to see some actual figures of the efficiency of
medical systems around the world.

Alan Minyard wrote in
:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:17:34 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:
Alan Minyard wrote in
m:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:09:56 GMT, "Bjørnar Bolsøy"
wrote:

Which particular european nations and medical care system
are you refering to?


Regards...

All of them. They are decades behind the US Medical Care
system.

Well, how exactly?



Regards...

They do not have the requisite number of MRIs CTs etc.
They do not have adequate ambulance services (I am
talking about the equipment, not the Paramedics). They
still have hospitals with open wards (nearly all of the
hospitals in the US are private rooms only).

Are these personal assertions, or what sources you
base these numbers on? What does this say about
a countrys health service in general? There are
other factors involved.


It is a matter of
adequate resources, research, surgical techniques etc. It is not
an accident the twins co-joined at the head/brain come
to the US from all over the world to be separated (at
no cost to the parents).

Al Minyard

Well, I guess some of this is true, but Europe is about
40 nations with a great deal of variation in both
quality, high-tech gadgetory and service. It seems to
me you treat Europe as a one common unity, which to
me seems at least as silly (pardon the french) as treating
the US as one great state with common laws and practise.

Many European countries have a fully modern health service,
not at least free medical care for everyone (like here
in Norway).



Regards...

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote
Many European countries have a fully modern health service,
not at least free medical care for everyone (like here
in Norway).


Unless hospitals spring up out of thin air, and doctors and nurses work
gratis, there is no *free*.

The payment you make is merely called something different.

Pete

"Pete" wrote in
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"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote

Many European countries have a fully modern health service,
not at least free medical care for everyone (like here
in Norway).


Unless hospitals spring up out of thin air, and doctors and
nurses work gratis, there is no *free*.

The payment you make is merely called something different.

The crucial difference is that it's baked into the
normal taxes and that medicare is given to anyone
whom needs it, nomatter what taxpaying status.

It means if you have an accident, you don't have
to worry.

In many cases you will also get a social refund if you
have direct expenses connected with treatment, for
instance for medicine or physioteraphy treatment due to
an overstrained back or arm.

If the hospital can't treat you, you're transfered to
one that can. In some cases even overseas.

One negative effect, of course, is capasity, the waiting
queues can be long for certain kinds of treatment.
Typically the more severe ones which require complex
treatment. But private clinics are of course an
alternative too.


Regards...

"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote:

"Pete" wrote in
:
"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote

Many European countries have a fully modern health service,
not at least free medical care for everyone (like here
in Norway).


Unless hospitals spring up out of thin air, and doctors and
nurses work gratis, there is no *free*.

The payment you make is merely called something different.

The crucial difference is that it's baked into the
normal taxes and that medicare is given to anyone
whom needs it, nomatter what taxpaying status.

It means if you have an accident, you don't have
to worry.

In many cases you will also get a social refund if you
have direct expenses connected with treatment, for
instance for medicine or physioteraphy treatment due to
an overstrained back or arm.

If the hospital can't treat you, you're transfered to
one that can. In some cases even overseas.

One negative effect, of course, is capasity, the waiting
queues can be long for certain kinds of treatment.
Typically the more severe ones which require complex
treatment. But private clinics are of course an
alternative too.


Regards...

Sounds like Canada's system...
--

-Gord.