Airline Pilots Fly Past Airport at 20,000'

Larry Dighera writes:

A radar track of the flight provided by the Web site
www.flightaware.com shows the plane remained at 21,000 feet as it
flew past Hilo before returning to the airport.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...925Z/PHNL/PHTO

In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:

Larry Dighera wrote:

A little more info:

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197200
even stranger than usual -- it was 9 o'clock in the
morning, and the flight was a 45-minute hop from Honolulu to Hilo.
Local TV station KGMB9
(http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4199/40/)
said it obtained a radar track of the flight, which showed it
stayed at 21,000 feet and flew past the Hilo airport about 15
miles out to sea before turning around and returning to descend.
Air traffic controllers reportedly tried to contact the pilots for
25 minutes and got no response.

On the CVR: "Hey, Bob, c'mon,stop screwing around. I distinctly remember
it was *your* turn to set the new password on the autopilot this morning."

Alternate version: "OK, you said it was, Keep the needle on W and land when
you've counted 3 islands, right? Or was it 4 islands?"

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

Absolutely, but it implies that either both pilots were coincidentally
very irresponsible in not getting enough sleep before flying or not
keeping one person awake at all times, or there is a problem with the
airline that leaves pilots with so little rest that they cannot resist
falling asleep in flight.

How th e**** would you know, moron?

The Helios Airways incident was similar:


No, it wasnt.

after everyone lost
consciousness on the flight, the automation flew the aircraft to its
destination and executed a missed approach and hold, but never left
cruise altitude (until the engines ran out of fuel).

No, it didn't



Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

A radar track of the flight provided by the Web site
www.flightaware.com shows the plane remained at 21,000 feet as it
flew past Hilo before returning to the airport.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...13/1925Z/PHNL/
PHTO


Idiot.


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii


Hell, yes.


Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?



What business is that of your's?


you gonna fly multi crew airplanes?


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:32:26 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ingpilots.html
Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii


Hell, yes.


Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep
on the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?


Probably were both exhausted by a schedule that was marginally legal
but ill advised.

Perhaps, but it was 0900 local.

I would imagine it was not through choice... the company probably
stuck them with it and gave them the choice of fly or quit.

It happens all the time. Believe me, those two weren't the only ones
asleep at the wheel that day. They just got caught.

Well, thankfully ATC kept calling them before they got out of range.=


you have no idea what you're talking about.


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote in
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Thanks for relating your firsthand experience.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:18:26 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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That night, as I was getting ready for bed at 2330, I got another call
from the dispatcher saying the flight was on again, and that I was
expected at Shelby for a 0100 pickup. I needed to be at the Charlotte
airport by about 1215 to make it over to Shelby on time. So off I
went.

Was that an FAA certificated Dispatcher?
http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...atos/library/d
ata_collection/media/EPI_6_1_4_O.doc


WTF is the difference?

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Regulations don't keep people awake, fjukkwit.


bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Perhaps, but it was 0900 local.

The world of airlines has little connection to local time. Pilots can
be tired at any time of day.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#197200
even stranger than usual -- it was 9 o'clock in the
morning, and the flight was a 45-minute hop from Honolulu to
Hilo.

They could still be too tired to stay awake, depending on what
happened prior to that flight.


You are, of course, alos an idiot and don't know what you're talking about.


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote in
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:04:22 -0800 (PST), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote in
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On 21 Feb, 09:55, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:01:49 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is it possible that BOTH pilots fell asleep?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0220abrk-
sleepingpilots.html
* *Airline pilots may have slept past their stop in Hawaii

Hell, yes.

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep
on
the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

Go **** yourself and mind your own business, Larry.

Bertie

From the plaintive squeal above, it would appear that my analysis
resonated with an alleged (retired?) NW airline pilot. Telling.....


No, it isn't. What's telling is you, as usual, have no idea of whence
you speak.

If in flight snoozing is accepted among flight crew, it is apparent
from this incident, that it carries the same sort of hazard as failing
to have one pilot on O2 at altitude, a la the Payne Stewart Lear 35
mishap: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/AAB0001.htm


Nope,


You're an idiot. And if you weren;'t such an officious **** I'd educate
you on this subject, but since you are and always will be, you can, as
always, go **** up a rope



Bertie


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Does that mean that their CRM procedures tolerated one pilot asleep
on the job, or did they both fall asleep simultaneously?

One pilot asleep in cruise is normally not a hazard, although
technically it isn't allowed (for an aircraft that legally requires
two pilots to fly).


Worng again, tardboi


Bertie