Time to medical help

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:52:42 GMT, Jay Maynard
wrote:

On 2008-02-22, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
The regulation requiring airliners to carry a medical kit which includes
certain prescription drugs is not in conflict with the Food & Drug act.

Not if the airline follows the Food & Drug Act and has a prescription or
other order from a docttor to have it. The regulation cannot override or
waive the law.



You're discussing two different issues.
One is whether or not the epinephrine can be legally carried in the medical
kit of a certificated airliner. It can be, and is.

If a doctor orders it. It's not difficult to obtain such an order, but
without it, they can't do it legally. The law says that the medication may
not be dispensed without the order of a physician. Dispensed does not mean
"used or administered", it means "sold or delivered by a pharmacy or drug
distributor or manufacturer".

I agree that the regulation cannot waive the law, but I don't believe that
these emergency kits violate any law. If there is some legal requirement
for a physician to have a role in the stocking of the kit, I'd guess that
requirement would be met by running the paper through the airline medical
department.

My understanding is that the kit (the one with the restricted stuff in it)
is for use only by medical professionals. At least that's what I've read
in medical literature.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

On 2008-02-22, Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
I agree that the regulation cannot waive the law, but I don't believe that
these emergency kits violate any law. If there is some legal requirement
for a physician to have a role in the stocking of the kit, I'd guess that
requirement would be met by running the paper through the airline medical
department.

I didn't say the kits violated the law. I just said that they needed a
doctor's order to obtain. I'm certain the airline has such an order from a
doctor in its inhouse medical department, or other physician. That's all
I've been saying.
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Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

My understanding is that the kit (the one with the restricted stuff in it)
is for use only by medical professionals. At least that's what I've read
in medical literature.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

It's been a long time since I was PIC in 121 (but nut as long as Manicax.)

When they started putting that stuff in the kit we were told that the
restricted part of the kit could only be opened by an MD or DO. So, if
there wasn't one of those two on board, no use allowed.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
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When they started putting that stuff in the kit we were told that the
restricted part of the kit could only be opened by an MD or DO. So, if
there wasn't one of those two on board, no use allowed.
It sounds like a Monty Python skit. I start gasping and explain that my
throat is closing up because I at some shrimp for lunch. They say there is
no MD on board so nobody can administer the Epi-pen. "I'll do it myself.
Please pass the pen!" Sorry, you're not a doctor. We can't do that.
But I'm dying! That is too bad, maybe we can give you a discount coupon for
the inconvenience. We look forward to serving you in the future.

Stubby wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
...
When they started putting that stuff in the kit we were told that the
restricted part of the kit could only be opened by an MD or DO. So, if
there wasn't one of those two on board, no use allowed.

It sounds like a Monty Python skit. I start gasping and explain that my
throat is closing up because I at some shrimp for lunch. They say there is
no MD on board so nobody can administer the Epi-pen. "I'll do it myself.
Please pass the pen!" Sorry, you're not a doctor. We can't do that.
But I'm dying! That is too bad, maybe we can give you a discount coupon for
the inconvenience. We look forward to serving you in the future.


Whatever.

Why would you travel without a medication for a known life-threatening
condition?

It isn't exactly an unexpected heart attack.

Because it wasn't in a plastic bag and was confiscated by TSA...???





On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:33:14 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

Stubby wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
...
When they started putting that stuff in the kit we were told that the
restricted part of the kit could only be opened by an MD or DO. So, if
there wasn't one of those two on board, no use allowed.

It sounds like a Monty Python skit. I start gasping and explain that my
throat is closing up because I at some shrimp for lunch. They say there is
no MD on board so nobody can administer the Epi-pen. "I'll do it myself.
Please pass the pen!" Sorry, you're not a doctor. We can't do that.
But I'm dying! That is too bad, maybe we can give you a discount coupon for
the inconvenience. We look forward to serving you in the future.


Whatever.

Why would you travel without a medication for a known life-threatening
condition?

It isn't exactly an unexpected heart attack.

Les Izmore wrote:
Because it wasn't in a plastic bag and was confiscated by TSA...???

They don't confiscate pills, prescription or not. I travel all the time
with one of thos "granny" seven day pill dispensers and another large
container of non-prescription and prescription drugs in my brief case.
Nothing is ever saidl I think labeled precriptions become important
only when travelling internationally.

In the immortal words of Senator Beauregard Claghorn, "That was a a
joke, , I say, that was a joke, son...."


On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:46:20 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

Les Izmore wrote:
Because it wasn't in a plastic bag and was confiscated by TSA...???

They don't confiscate pills, prescription or not. I travel all the time
with one of thos "granny" seven day pill dispensers and another large
container of non-prescription and prescription drugs in my brief case.
Nothing is ever saidl I think labeled precriptions become important
only when travelling internationally.

Stubby writes:

It sounds like a Monty Python skit. I start gasping and explain that my
throat is closing up because I at some shrimp for lunch. They say there is
no MD on board so nobody can administer the Epi-pen. "I'll do it myself.
Please pass the pen!" Sorry, you're not a doctor. We can't do that.
But I'm dying! That is too bad, maybe we can give you a discount coupon for
the inconvenience. We look forward to serving you in the future.

Obtain a prescription from a doctor and carry an Epipen of your own. It would
be irresponsible not to if you know you are subject to this type of reaction.