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On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
G1000? What's that? It was a stock 310 but mostly I flew a Twin Beech around that area. We had boots and electric props on the 310 and boots and alchohol props and usually alky windscreens on the 18s. Not many Bonanza's with even that level of deice on board. Yeah, I remember it well. I never got into any real trouble with ice, but my boss when I worked in MI did once. He just made it into some place in Ohio. I did get some in Michigan that caused an engine to cough, but I managed to clear it. I had also got a lot on the bottom of the wing holding. I went along with a guy in a 310 once and we got a lot on the tip tanks which was causing us a lot of grief, but we were never in the situation where we couldn't hold altitude. OTOH, I have come down in singles covered with ice more than once! Bertie I've been chicken so far this winter. But they're not my airplanes. Dan |
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On Feb 26, 9:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
" wrote in news:a8c90f28-9a1a-4a7a- : On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: G1000? What's that? It was a stock 310 but mostly I flew a Twin Beech around that area. We had boots and electric props on the 310 and boots and alchohol props and usually alky windscreens on the 18s. Not many Bonanza's with even that level of deice on board. Yeah, I remember it well. I never got into any real trouble with ice, but my boss when I worked in MI did once. He just made it into some place in Ohio. I did get some in Michigan that caused an engine to cough, but I managed to clear it. I had also got a lot on the bottom of the wing holding. I went along with a guy in a 310 once and we got a lot on the tip tanks which was causing us a lot of grief, but we were never in the situation where we couldn't hold altitude. OTOH, I have come down in singles covered with ice more than once! Bertie I've been chicken so far this winter. But they're not my airplanes. Nothing chicken about staying out of ice if you have no de-ice. I should explain about the icing in singles thing. I was only ever in ice in singles where there was relatively warm air down low. It comes off quick whenyou pass the freezing level. You would want a freezing level a good 3 or 4 thousand above the terrain and even then it's not a good idea. I did some ferrying years ago and the freezing level over the ocean is alwyas at a reasonable level even in winter. So if you got some ice you went down and if it wasn't too thick it would come off almost instantly once the OAT was above freezing. You wouldn't have that luxury in the appalachians, of course. Bertie True.. there's no where I need to be that bad. Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper proved that Bonanza's and winter don't mix very well. I'm guessing with the slick airframe the effects of ice are probably more damaging then to\ something like a 182? |
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: On Feb 26, 9:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: " wrote in news:a8c90f28-9a1a-4a7a- : On Feb 26, 7:44 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: G1000? What's that? It was a stock 310 but mostly I flew a Twin Beech around that area. We had boots and electric props on the 310 and boots and alchohol props and usually alky windscreens on the 18s. Not many Bonanza's with even that level of deice on board. Yeah, I remember it well. I never got into any real trouble with ice, but my boss when I worked in MI did once. He just made it into some place in Ohio. I did get some in Michigan that caused an engine to cough, but I managed to clear it. I had also got a lot on the bottom of the wing holding. I went along with a guy in a 310 once and we got a lot on the tip tanks which was causing us a lot of grief, but we were never in the situation where we couldn't hold altitude. OTOH, I have come down in singles covered with ice more than once! Bertie I've been chicken so far this winter. But they're not my airplanes. Nothing chicken about staying out of ice if you have no de-ice. I should explain about the icing in singles thing. I was only ever in ice in singles where there was relatively warm air down low. It comes off quick whenyou pass the freezing level. You would want a freezing level a good 3 or 4 thousand above the terrain and even then it's not a good idea. I did some ferrying years ago and the freezing level over the ocean is alwyas at a reasonable level even in winter. So if you got some ice you went down and if it wasn't too thick it would come off almost instantly once the OAT was above freezing. You wouldn't have that luxury in the appalachians, of course. Bertie True.. there's no where I need to be that bad. Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper proved that Bonanza's and winter don't mix very well. I'm guessing with the slick airframe the effects of ice are probably more damaging then to\ something like a 182? I wouldn't think there's much difference. I've had a few airplanes in ice, but not a Bonanaza. It's hard to quantify since each accretion is unique. I've been in a 172 in fairly bad ice, IMC and completely lost my ability to hold alitutde in just a few seconds. I was fairly high. 9,000 maybe? it was pretty warm below and I told ATC I needed descent and needed it now. they said "we'l have it for you shortly", and I had to reply that it didn't matter, I was coming down anyway at that stage. I've flown Mooneys in ice and they seem to be better at just plain not picking it up than most airplanes. Again, hard to quantify, I could just possibly have been lucky with the conditions. Cessna singles seem to suffer worst with is. Struts, long gear legs and what not, I guess. It's a complete non-event in jets, though. Most types rarely even get airframe icing and even if they do the hot wings blos it off quickly. The engines are more of a worry, but the anti-ice on them works well. Bertie |
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On Feb 26, 10:14 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
I wouldn't think there's much difference. I've had a few airplanes in ice, but not a Bonanaza. It's hard to quantify since each accretion is unique. I've been in a 172 in fairly bad ice, IMC and completely lost my ability to hold alitutde in just a few seconds. I was fairly high. 9,000 maybe? it was pretty warm below and I told ATC I needed descent and needed it now. they said "we'l have it for you shortly", and I had to reply that it didn't matter, I was coming down anyway at that stage. I've flown Mooneys in ice and they seem to be better at just plain not picking it up than most airplanes. Again, hard to quantify, I could just possibly have been lucky with the conditions. Cessna singles seem to suffer worst with is. Struts, long gear legs and what not, I guess. It's a complete non-event in jets, though. Most types rarely even get airframe icing and even if they do the hot wings blos it off quickly. The engines are more of a worry, but the anti-ice on them works well. Bertie I don't plan on trying it in the Bonanza -- at least not this A36 and certainly not the straight 35.. There are a few out there with TKS and other systems, but it seems if you have that need you should be flying a twin or a turboprop, not a normally aspirated Bonanza. I haven't flown a 172 that I would want to fly any length of time in IMC -- you're in it too long as you're so slow, the big wing catches every bump, and the climb performance is anemic (unless you have the 180 HP conversion). Dan |
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On Feb 27, 2:45 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
I haven't flown a 172 that I would want to fly any length of time in IMC -- you're in it too long as you're so slow, the big wing catches every bump, and the climb performance is anemic (unless you have the 180 HP conversion). Flown smaller and slower than that IMC! you get used to it.. Bertie Now what would that be?? A Tri-Pacer? Not much slower that's IMC-capable than a 172 with a whopping 105 TAS. :-) Dan |
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