Is this the death of GA

Jay Honeck wrote:

Now, you're telling me that refueling an airplane from a
professionally-built fuel truck, properly grounded, with the big door
open, is DANGEROUS? I find it hard that anyone so risk averse actually
flies in an airplane. Those things crash, you know.

Having spent a couple of years as an airport manager I am not
speaking out of ignorance. I'm surprised that you don't seem
to be able see the potential dangers. I strongly suggest that
you and the airport manager have a chat with you local fire
marshal, your fuel supplier and your insurance underwriter before
you continue that activity.

It is dangerous to even fuel a lawn mower in your garage because
of the enclosed space, and the risk of a devastating fire in
the even of a fuel spill.

Check with any authority on the subject and see if they don't
tell you the same thing.

Good luck.

Having spent a couple of years as an airport manager I am not
speaking out of ignorance. I'm surprised that you don't seem
to be able see the potential dangers. I strongly suggest that
you and the airport manager have a chat with you local fire
marshal, your fuel supplier and your insurance underwriter before
you continue that activity.

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more aircraft
owners on our field alone. And at every other field I've ever been at. But
I know that takes the fun out of the discussion.

I'm not saying that the lawyers, insurance companies, professional
hand-wringers, and other lower forms of life won't find "risk" in fueling in
an open hangar. These are the same folks who install audible walk signals,
cancel school when it snows 2 inches, and make regulations that render an
aircraft "unairworthy" when an inherently inaccurate fuel gauge goes tits
up.

I'm saying that it's NOT unsafe, when done by competent people with
professional grade equipment. It's been done for decades, without mishap.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"kontiki" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Now, you're telling me that refueling an airplane from a
professionally-built fuel truck, properly grounded, with the big door
open, is DANGEROUS? I find it hard that anyone so risk averse actually
flies in an airplane. Those things crash, you know.

Having spent a couple of years as an airport manager I am not
speaking out of ignorance. I'm surprised that you don't seem
to be able see the potential dangers. I strongly suggest that
you and the airport manager have a chat with you local fire
marshal, your fuel supplier and your insurance underwriter before
you continue that activity.

It is dangerous to even fuel a lawn mower in your garage because
of the enclosed space, and the risk of a devastating fire in
the even of a fuel spill.

Check with any authority on the subject and see if they don't
tell you the same thing.

Good luck.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:dFqxj.53176$yE1.9605@attbi_s21:

Having spent a couple of years as an airport manager I am not
speaking out of ignorance. I'm surprised that you don't seem
to be able see the potential dangers. I strongly suggest that
you and the airport manager have a chat with you local fire
marshal, your fuel supplier and your insurance underwriter before
you continue that activity.

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more
aircraft owners on our field alone. And at every other field I've
ever been at. But I know that takes the fun out of the discussion.

So, you're a liar and an idiot.

And so is your FBO


Bertie

Jay Honeck wrote:

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more aircraft
owners on our field alone. And at every other field I've ever been at. But
I know that takes the fun out of the discussion.

I'm not saying that the lawyers, insurance companies, professional
hand-wringers, and other lower forms of life won't find "risk" in fueling in
an open hangar. These are the same folks who install audible walk signals,
cancel school when it snows 2 inches, and make regulations that render an
aircraft "unairworthy" when an inherently inaccurate fuel gauge goes tits
up.

I'm saying that it's NOT unsafe, when done by competent people with
professional grade equipment. It's been done for decades, without mishap.

To paraphrase every mom that ever lived, so if all your friends are
doing something stupid, its OK for you to do it too?


--
Jim Pennino

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Jay Honeck wrote:
These are the same folks who install audible
walk signals,


Those are for the visually impaired.

These are the same folks who install audible
walk signals,


Those are for the visually impaired.

Ya think?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:CvCxj.53962$yE1.16097
@attbi_s21:

These are the same folks who install audible
walk signals,


Those are for the visually impaired.

Ya think?

And you, Jay, and you.. Don't get excited





Bertie

Ah, yeah.
We also lower the curbs at intersections for wheelchairs and scooters.
Or do you blame that on lawyers too?





Jay Honeck wrote:
These are the same folks who install audible

walk signals,


Those are for the visually impaired.


Ya think?

On 2008-02-28, Jay Honeck wrote:
an open hangar. These are the same folks who install audible walk signals,

What do you have against the partially sighted? It's cheap to make an
audible walk signal and makes life much, much easier for those with poor
eyesight.

--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.

Jay Honeck wrote:


It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more
aircraft owners on our field alone.

They would appear to be breaking the law, if you consider city code of
Iowa City "the law."

13-4-3: REFUELING AND DEFUELING AIRCRAFT:

The following general rules shall govern refueling, defueling, oil
service and sumping of aircraft and placing fuels in storage tanks or
dispensers:

A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft shall be
refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are running,
when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or when aircraft is
in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

There's no mention of older building being excepted or grandfathered out
of the fire code, in this public list of the city ordinances:

http://66.113.195.234/IA/Iowa%20City/index.htm

Like I'm always telling my students, you could look it up.
(they get so tired of hearing that!)