Is this the death of GA

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more aircraft
owners on our field alone.

They would appear to be breaking the law, if you consider city code of
Iowa City "the law."

13-4-3: REFUELING AND DEFUELING AIRCRAFT:

The following general rules shall govern refueling, defueling, oil service
and sumping of aircraft and placing fuels in storage tanks or dispensers:

A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft shall be
refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are running,
when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or when aircraft is
in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

So, if I'm reading this right, having a 40-foot by 25 foot front of the
building (AKA: a bi-fold door) open (as in, the front of the building is
missing), we are not refueling in a "closed hangar, or a congested or an
enclosed space."

Thanks for clarifying this, Stella. I'm glad the statutes support our
actions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:UI5yj.3302$TT4.1503@attbi_s22:

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more
aircraft owners on our field alone.

They would appear to be breaking the law, if you consider city code
of Iowa City "the law."

13-4-3: REFUELING AND DEFUELING AIRCRAFT:

The following general rules shall govern refueling, defueling, oil
service and sumping of aircraft and placing fuels in storage tanks or
dispensers:

A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft shall
be refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are
running, when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or when
aircraft is in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

So, if I'm reading this right, having a 40-foot by 25 foot front of
the building (AKA: a bi-fold door) open (as in, the front of the
building is missing), we are not refueling in a "closed hangar, or a
congested or an enclosed space."

Thanks for clarifying this, Stella. I'm glad the statutes support our
actions.

We could alwasy ask the fire chief.....

http://www.icgov.org/fire/index.asp

Surely he could provide th edefinitve answer..



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:UI5yj.3302$TT4.1503@attbi_s22:

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more
aircraft owners on our field alone.

They would appear to be breaking the law, if you consider city code
of Iowa City "the law."

13-4-3: REFUELING AND DEFUELING AIRCRAFT:

The following general rules shall govern refueling, defueling, oil
service and sumping of aircraft and placing fuels in storage tanks or
dispensers:

A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft shall
be refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are
running, when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or when
aircraft is in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

So, if I'm reading this right, having a 40-foot by 25 foot front of
the building (AKA: a bi-fold door) open (as in, the front of the
building is missing), we are not refueling in a "closed hangar, or a
congested or an enclosed space."

Thanks for clarifying this, Stella. I'm glad the statutes support our
actions.

We could alwasy ask the fire chief.....

http://www.icgov.org/fire/index.asp

Surely he could provide th edefinitve answer..



Bertie

Oh yeah, Bertie the Snitch.
You're an ass wipe.

"Maxwell" luv^2^fly^99@^cox.^net wrote in news:Gyeyj.7451$QC.2210
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:UI5yj.3302$TT4.1503@attbi_s22:

It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more
aircraft owners on our field alone.

They would appear to be breaking the law, if you consider city code
of Iowa City "the law."

13-4-3: REFUELING AND DEFUELING AIRCRAFT:

The following general rules shall govern refueling, defueling, oil
service and sumping of aircraft and placing fuels in storage tanks
or
dispensers:

A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft
shall
be refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are
running, when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or
when
aircraft is in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

So, if I'm reading this right, having a 40-foot by 25 foot front of
the building (AKA: a bi-fold door) open (as in, the front of the
building is missing), we are not refueling in a "closed hangar, or a
congested or an enclosed space."

Thanks for clarifying this, Stella. I'm glad the statutes support
our
actions.

We could alwasy ask the fire chief.....

http://www.icgov.org/fire/index.asp

Surely he could provide th edefinitve answer..



Bertie

Oh yeah, Bertie the Snitch.


Moi? Never.



You're an ass wipe.




Wipe


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:UI5yj.3302$TT4.1503@attbi_s22...
It's not just me doing it -- it's our FBO. And a dozen or more
aircraft owners on our field alone.

They would appear to be breaking the law, if you consider city code of
Iowa City "the law."

13-4-3: REFUELING AND DEFUELING AIRCRAFT:

The following general rules shall govern refueling, defueling, oil
service and sumping of aircraft and placing fuels in storage tanks or
dispensers:

A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft shall be
refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are running,
when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or when aircraft is
in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

So, if I'm reading this right, having a 40-foot by 25 foot front of the
building (AKA: a bi-fold door) open (as in, the front of the building is
missing), we are not refueling in a "closed hangar, or a congested or an
enclosed space."

Thanks for clarifying this, Stella. I'm glad the statutes support our
actions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I read it that way also. A hanger with an open bi-bold door is hardly a
closed hanger. They probably have a similar reg on fueling autos indoors. It
would certainly make sense, or the convenience stores up north would have
enclosed fueling bays.

I certainly don't agree with you on everything Jay, but I certainly do on
this one. I think this part of the thread has become a grand example of
modern conveniences lost to negative fantasies.

If we can't fuel an aircraft without the total assurance of complete safety,
then it should not be legal to fuel them in proximity of any other aircraft
or property, indoors or out. And in no way should an aircraft, with a fully
vented fuel system, be stored indoors without complete defueling.

Jay Honeck wrote:


A.Aircraft Not To Be Running Or In Enclosed Space: No aircraft shall
be refueled, defueled or oil serviced while aircraft engines are
running, when aircraft is being warmed by application of heat or when
aircraft is in a closed hangar or a congested or an enclosed space.

So, if I'm reading this right, having a 40-foot by 25 foot front of the
building (AKA: a bi-fold door) open (as in, the front of the building is
missing), we are not refueling in a "closed hangar, or a congested or an
enclosed space."

Thanks for clarifying this, Stella. I'm glad the statutes support our
actions.

You may be right, dude.
One might give a call to the fire department to get confirmation, and
just verify that's the way THEY would interpret it.

At the airport where I learned to fly, they (both management AND other
pilots and hangar lessees) frowned strongly on fueling in the hangar,
and a fellow who regularly did it ...started closing his hangar door so
they couldn't see him doing it. Not an optimum outcome, I thought.