Got *that* call today...

"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
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That's why I was taught to push down on the spine.

And why I was taught to always use the towbar. I haven't seen anyone push
down on a Cessna's tail in decades.

Vaughn

Vaughn Simon wrote:
"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
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That's why I was taught to push down on the spine.

And why I was taught to always use the towbar. I haven't seen anyone push
down on a Cessna's tail in decades.

When I was in flight training for my private I flew 152s. It was common
practice to push down on the spine to spin it. However it was strictly
prohibited to do on the 172s. Now they prohibit doing it on the 152s as
well because too many people push down too hard smacking the tail into
the ground.


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"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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"Edward A. Falk" wrote in message
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That's why I was taught to push down on the spine.

And why I was taught to always use the towbar. I haven't seen anyone
push down on a Cessna's tail in decades.



Didn't have a tow bar for the Cessna I flew. But it just took a little push
to pop the tailwheel out of the detent, then it was real easy to move.
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On Feb 29, 5:23 am, "Vaughn Simon"
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"Edward A. Falk" wrote in ...

That's why I was taught to push down on the spine.

And why I was taught to always use the towbar. I haven't seen anyone push
down on a Cessna's tail in decades.

Vaughn

And that's why Cessna has installed retractable pull-out handlebars in
the sides of the fuselage, just in front of the tail, on some later
model 182's. I don't know if this was standard or an option, but my
neighbor's 1978 C182 has them and they're quite handy for turning the
plane around in a tight area. It does take both of us to push down on
the handlebars enough to raise the nosewheel off the ground since the
182 is such a noseheavy beast. Too bad they didn't have these
handlebars as standard equipment on all 172's and 182s from the
beginning.

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And that's why Cessna has installed retractable pull-out handlebars in
the sides of the fuselage, just in front of the tail, on some later
model 182's. I don't know if this was standard or an option, but my
neighbor's 1978 C182 has them and they're quite handy for turning the
plane around in a tight area. It does take both of us to push down on
the handlebars enough to raise the nosewheel off the ground since the
182 is such a noseheavy beast. Too bad they didn't have these
handlebars as standard equipment on all 172's and 182s from the
beginning.

Actually, that's an aftermarket mod, never was a factory option. See:

http://www.basinc-aeromod.com/

It's intended for taildragger's, but a good idea for nosedragger's, too!

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

On Mar 4, 8:17 pm, Scott Skylane wrote:
Actually, that's an aftermarket mod, never was a factory option.

185s had them. Factory, I think.

For those that want to see the cracking spar, take off the two
fairing covers at the base of the fin. Four screws in each. With a
good flashlight, look forward from the rear of the airplane through
the big hole in the top of the middle of the stab and see the
lightening hole in the forward spar. Cracks will (hopefully not) be
seen radiating from that hole in a X fashion, diagonally upward and
downward. If you're really unlucky, there'll be four of them. With a
mirror, you can stand forward of the stab and get a good look, too. I
prefer that way, because I can then check the attach bolts through
that spar.

The OP should know that the SB says that cracks that do not reach
the spar flange radius can be stopdrilled and monitored. His mechanic
should take a close look at the SB again. The amount he flies, they
might go no farther.

I wonder how this airplane's previous owner moved the airplane. Or
has he had it since new? Has it had a lot of heavy, wet snow sitting
on it?

I once flew a 172 that handled all funny. When we got it home,
we opened thing up and found that spar cracked all the way through
both flanges. Only the skin was holding things together. I had one guy
hold one end of the stab still and I was able to move the other end up
and down an inch or two. Dangerous. And the wing strut lower attach
bolts had no nuts on them and were backing out. All this just after an
"annual." A drive-by annual, I think.

Dan

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On Mar 4, 8:17 pm, Scott Skylane wrote:
Actually, that's an aftermarket mod, never was a factory option.

185s had them. Factory, I think.
Both 180s and 185s had them from the factory. BTW, Bud (BAS) passed last
year. GREAT guy.

"Curator" Skywagon 185

karl mcgruber wrote:



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On Mar 4, 8:17 pm, Scott Skylane wrote:

Actually, that's an aftermarket mod, never was a factory option.


185s had them. Factory, I think.

Both 180s and 185s had them from the factory. BTW, Bud (BAS) passed last
year. GREAT guy.

"Curator" Skywagon 185

To clarify my un-clear post, I was referring only to 182's. Sorry to
hear about Bud.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

YIKES!

Ummmm..Cezznas don't really fly very well without these bolts..

Dave


On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:32:52 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Mar 4, 8:17 pm, Scott Skylane wrote:

And the wing strut lower attach
bolts had no nuts on them and were backing out. All this just after an
"annual." A drive-by annual, I think.

Dan

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:32:52 -0800, Dan_Thomas_nospam wrote:
The OP should know that the SB says that cracks that do not reach
the spar flange radius can be stopdrilled and monitored. His mechanic
should take a close look at the SB again. The amount he flies, they
might go no farther.

I should have obtained a copy of the SB but I've been way too busy this
week to deal with this. Still haven't seen the cracks myself, but my
partner in the airplane is a professional photographer and he took some
pictures of them yesterday. I should have them soon.

From my IA's description, the cracks radiate from the edge of the
lightening hole about 1" each. Not sure if they reach the flange
radius. I'll call him and ask.

Thanks for the info.

Doug
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