The Angry White Man

On Mar 1, 2:39 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Feb 27, 4:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Not much slower that's IMC-capable than a 172 with a whopping 105 TAS.

A 150. Quite a few times.

Bertie

Now what were you doing that you had to fly a 150 IMC?

Ferrying one. Did a bunch of light singles at one time. Depending on what
you call IMC, I've done it norod in needle ball and airspeed aripalnes as
wel, buto only for short trips outside controlled airspace, but in the
system, I've done it in a 150/

Bertie

Not too many places left outside of radar coverage, these days.

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On Mar 1, 2:39 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
" wrote in
news:8d789731-cc44-4bda-
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On Feb 27, 4:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Not much slower that's IMC-capable than a 172 with a whopping
105 TAS.

A 150. Quite a few times.

Bertie

Now what were you doing that you had to fly a 150 IMC?

Ferrying one. Did a bunch of light singles at one time. Depending on
what you call IMC, I've done it norod in needle ball and airspeed
aripalnes as wel, buto only for short trips outside controlled
airspace, but in the system, I've done it in a 150/

Bertie

Not too many places left outside of radar coverage, these days.



Well, i didn't say it was lately, and radar coverage hasn't got anything to
do with it anyway...
Oh, and there are plenty of places with no radar!




Bertie

On Mar 1, 3:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Not too many places left outside of radar coverage, these days.

Well, i didn't say it was lately, and radar coverage hasn't got anything to
do with it anyway...
Oh, and there are plenty of places with no radar!

Bertie

I'm on the east coast. My only SEL foray west was to PHX and back in
the A36. We had coverage the entire route, but stayed Victor airways
through the passes.

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On Mar 1, 3:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Not too many places left outside of radar coverage, these days.

Well, i didn't say it was lately, and radar coverage hasn't got
anything to do with it anyway...
Oh, and there are plenty of places with no radar!

Bertie

I'm on the east coast. My only SEL foray west was to PHX and back in
the A36. We had coverage the entire route, but stayed Victor airways
through the passes.


Yeah, I did a lot of what I was talking about on the east coast but a long
time ago. the 150 ferry was across the atlantic and th eneedle ball and
airspeed stuff was just transiting small areas of cloud. not very bright,
but when you're young...

Bertie

On Mar 1, 4:42 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Mar 1, 3:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Not too many places left outside of radar coverage, these days.

Well, i didn't say it was lately, and radar coverage hasn't got
anything to do with it anyway...
Oh, and there are plenty of places with no radar!

Bertie

I'm on the east coast. My only SEL foray west was to PHX and back in
the A36. We had coverage the entire route, but stayed Victor airways
through the passes.

Yeah, I did a lot of what I was talking about on the east coast but a long
time ago. the 150 ferry was across the atlantic and th eneedle ball and
airspeed stuff was just transiting small areas of cloud. not very bright,
but when you're young...

Bertie

A 150 across the Atlantic?

How many tons overgross were you with fuel??

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On Mar 1, 4:42 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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On Mar 1, 3:13 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Not too many places left outside of radar coverage, these days.

Well, i didn't say it was lately, and radar coverage hasn't got
anything to do with it anyway...
Oh, and there are plenty of places with no radar!

Bertie

I'm on the east coast. My only SEL foray west was to PHX and back
in the A36. We had coverage the entire route, but stayed Victor
airways through the passes.

Yeah, I did a lot of what I was talking about on the east coast but a
long time ago. the 150 ferry was across the atlantic and th eneedle
ball and airspeed stuff was just transiting small areas of cloud. not
very bright, but when you're young...

Bertie

A 150 across the Atlantic?

Yeah, just once.

How many tons overgross were you with fuel??

Well, I think it carried about ten or eleven hours of fuel. Actually, it
was a 152, so say about 6 gph so I must have had about 35 or 40 gallons
extra inside ( it was split bewen two tanks, one in the baggage area and
one in the right weat, the right stick was removed) so about 65 gal, so
about 400 lb lf fuel in round numbers plus about 170 lbs of pilot
shouldn't have put me too far over. I've been well over ferrying,
though. Over 20% IIRC. ( and yes Larry, it was legal and I wouldn't have
cared if it wasn't)
Had to route Goose Narsarsuaq Rekjavik in that airplane, but I knew one
guy who did Gander-Shannon in a 150 which is over 18 hours of flying,
normally. but he relied on tailwinds and his loran to do it direct.

Bertie


Bertie

On Mar 1, 9:40 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
How many tons overgross were you with fuel??

Well, I think it carried about ten or eleven hours of fuel. Actually, it
was a 152, so say about 6 gph so I must have had about 35 or 40 gallons
extra inside ( it was split bewen two tanks, one in the baggage area and
one in the right weat, the right stick was removed) so about 65 gal, so
about 400 lb lf fuel in round numbers plus about 170 lbs of pilot
shouldn't have put me too far over. I've been well over ferrying,
though. Over 20% IIRC. ( and yes Larry, it was legal and I wouldn't have
cared if it wasn't)
Had to route Goose Narsarsuaq Rekjavik in that airplane, but I knew one
guy who did Gander-Shannon in a 150 which is over 18 hours of flying,
normally. but he relied on tailwinds and his loran to do it direct.

Bertie

Bertie


It's been awhile since I've flown a 152, but IIRC it is overgross full
tanks and two 190 lb occupants.

So westbound, you were pulling what, 130 KTAS?

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On Mar 1, 9:40 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
How many tons overgross were you with fuel??

Well, I think it carried about ten or eleven hours of fuel. Actually,
it
was a 152, so say about 6 gph so I must have had about 35 or 40
gallons
extra inside ( it was split bewen two tanks, one in the baggage area
and
one in the right weat, the right stick was removed) so about 65 gal,
so
about 400 lb lf fuel in round numbers plus about 170 lbs of pilot
shouldn't have put me too far over. I've been well over ferrying,
though. Over 20% IIRC. ( and yes Larry, it was legal and I wouldn't
have
cared if it wasn't)
Had to route Goose Narsarsuaq Rekjavik in that airplane, but I knew
one
guy who did Gander-Shannon in a 150 which is over 18 hours of
flying,
normally. but he relied on tailwinds and his loran to do it direct.

Bertie

Bertie


It's been awhile since I've flown a 152, but IIRC it is overgross full
tanks and two 190 lb occupants.


You don't worry too much about being over gross. The waiver for the
ferry dispenses you from such concerns in any case. Anything up to 30%
over gross is allowed, according to type.

So westbound, you were pulling what, 130 KTAS?


Westbound? Nope. all eastbound. Well, in the 152 anyway.


And 130 knots?
What kind of 152 did you fly? !!!

Prolly about 95 knots, tops. The winds up in that part of the world are
variable and not too predictable.Over 100 knots form any direction is
possbile. Forecasting and reporting is much better these days, though,
and of course you can see it on your magic box, whatever that might be,
wheras I just used ADFs and whatever other tricks might have been at
hand.


Bertie

On Mar 2, 10:57 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Westbound? Nope. all eastbound. Well, in the 152 anyway.

And 130 knots?
What kind of 152 did you fly? !!!

Prolly about 95 knots, tops. The winds up in that part of the world are
variable and not too predictable.Over 100 knots form any direction is
possbile. Forecasting and reporting is much better these days, though,
and of course you can see it on your magic box, whatever that might be,
wheras I just used ADFs and whatever other tricks might have been at
hand.

Bertie

A Super Duper 152 with a 40 Knot tailwind..

Yikes..that's a lotta time over open water. Did you have room/weight
allowance for all the survival stuff?

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On Mar 2, 10:57 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Westbound? Nope. all eastbound. Well, in the 152 anyway.

And 130 knots?
What kind of 152 did you fly? !!!

Prolly about 95 knots, tops. The winds up in that part of the world
are
variable and not too predictable.Over 100 knots form any direction is
possbile. Forecasting and reporting is much better these days,
though,
and of course you can see it on your magic box, whatever that might
be,
wheras I just used ADFs and whatever other tricks might have been at
hand.

Bertie

A Super Duper 152 with a 40 Knot tailwind..

Oh, OK. Well, I don't think I had much wind at all on that trip except a
fairly heavy x-wind between Narsaruaq and Rekjavik. Very high winds
landing in Rekjavik as well. about 60 knots, in fact. Getting to the
ramp from the runway was impssible, so I took off again and flew it to
the ramp and taxiied into wind until I got to the shelter of a large
hangar.

Yikes..that's a lotta time over open water. Did you have room/weight
allowance for all the survival stuff?


Like I said, the weight just didn't enter into any kind of
consideration. Performance was not an issue since all runways were
extremely long and the temps, even in summer would have been low. i had
no problem getting to FL110, which was MEA over some of the route. It
had a temporary HF and ADF installed, I had my dry suit and survival
gear and my backpack, so yeah. it had room and sufficinet allowance for
all that. IIRC, most all Cessnas were allowed 30% anyway. I've flown
some airplanes that carried 120 gallons or more of aux fuel and they
were all legal and able for it.

Bertie