Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany

Jim Logajan wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13sol8u8jlhokb5
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WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185




Wasn't so much the crosswind as the technique used to deal with it.

Perhaps so - but it's been alleged there was a wind gust of 155 mph:

Nah. has to be a misprint. probably 55 mph.

He may have encountered a gust at that point, but it wouldn't have done
that to the airplane.

I've flown smaller in heavier winds than that.
In fact, I was flying in that storm not a million miles from where he was.
Our runway was more aligned with the wind than his was, though. We were
getting 50 plus in gusts about twenty degrees off with a baseline of about
38.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13sol8u8jlhokb5
@corp.supernews.com:

WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185




Wasn't so much the crosswind as the technique used to deal with it.

Perhaps so - but it's been alleged there was a wind gust of 155 mph:

Nah. has to be a misprint. probably 55 mph.

He may have encountered a gust at that point, but it wouldn't have
done
that to the airplane.

I've flown smaller in heavier winds than that.
In fact, I was flying in that storm not a million miles from where he
was. Our runway was more aligned with the wind than his was, though.
We were getting 50 plus in gusts about twenty degrees off with a
baseline of about 38.

This article has more details that do seem to suggest a misreporting (if
not a typo) of the wind speed:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
miles per hour)."

Jim Logajan wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"gatt" wrote in news:13sol8u8jlhokb5
@corp.supernews.com:

WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185




Wasn't so much the crosswind as the technique used to deal with it.

Perhaps so - but it's been alleged there was a wind gust of 155 mph:

Nah. has to be a misprint. probably 55 mph.

He may have encountered a gust at that point, but it wouldn't have
done
that to the airplane.

I've flown smaller in heavier winds than that.
In fact, I was flying in that storm not a million miles from where he
was. Our runway was more aligned with the wind than his was, though.
We were getting 50 plus in gusts about twenty degrees off with a
baseline of about 38.

This article has more details that do seem to suggest a misreporting
(if
not a typo) of the wind speed:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed
the
strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour
(155
miles per hour)."

Yeah, I think there were regions that did get winds of near that
strenght, but even leaving the reporting aside, it's pretty plain to see
that it;s the airplane itself causing those gyrations, not the wind. If
you eliminate the ground from that picture and just look at the
airplane's control deflections. wind or no wind it will do just what it
did if the rudder is kicked with nothing to stop the roll.


Bertie

On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya

D Ramapriya wrote in news:706e02c1-4a48-4b69-91e9-
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated the
winds were 150 miles per hour.

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Marty Shapiro wrote in
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D Ramapriya wrote in
news:706e02c1-4a48-4b69-91e9-
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away vetically.
I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about 50 in the
gusts.


Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Marty Shapiro wrote in
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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away vetically.
I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about 50 in the
gusts.


Bertie

It still raises a couple of questions:

1. Why did ATC direct them to a runway with such an excessive crosswind?

2. Why did the Captain accept such a clearance?

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Orval Fairbairn wrote in
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In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Marty Shapiro wrote in
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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA
that listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they
stated the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away
vetically. I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing
about 50 in the gusts.


Bertie

It still raises a couple of questions:

1. Why did ATC direct them to a runway with such an excessive
crosswind?

2. Why did the Captain accept such a clearance?


Probably it was within limits.. I just got of the phone with an A320
friend of mine. Demonstrated x-wind as published by Airbus is 35 knots.
He reckons Lufty might have that shortened to 33.
If it's within limits you take it if you are comfortable.
The wind may have veered and or strengthened while he was on approach.
That's tkind of th enature of high wind. We try and keep an ear out for
the current wind as we're making the aproach.Also, we have several wind
displays on board. There'd be a wind arrow on the nav screen with
direction and strength, and a digital display breaking it down into head
and crosswind components, so the crew can see whan the wind is where
they are at any given moment. In short, they knew what the wind was on
the runway and it would have been within limits when they shot the
approach.



Bertie

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Marty Shapiro wrote in
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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away
vetically.
I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about 50 in the
gusts.


Bertie

It still raises a couple of questions:

1. Why did ATC direct them to a runway with such an excessive crosswind?

2. Why did the Captain accept such a clearance?

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Winds were 290, choices were 23 or 33.

EDDH 011220Z 29028G48KT 9000 -SHRA FEW011 BKN014 07/05 Q0984 TEMPO
29035G55KT 4000 SHRA BKN008

Al G

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
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Marty Shapiro wrote in
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D Ramapriya wrote in
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On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan wrote:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...538926,00.html

Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of
this story contained information from German wire service DPA that
listed the strength of storm winds near the airport at 250
kilometers-per-hour (155 miles per hour)."


Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph

Ramapriya


On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated
the winds were 150 miles per hour.

They weren't. If they had been, the A320 would have climbed away
vetically. I was inthe area at the time, BTW, and it was blowing about
50 in the gusts.


Bertie

Accuracy from a news report regarding aviation -- no way! Not only did
they say it was a 150 MPH crosswind, they also stated that both wings hit
the runway.

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Silicon Rallye Inc.

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