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Jay Honeck wrote:
I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize sales... I was quickly promoted beyond the newsroom,... I was careful to note that I'm not disrespecting your business skills. But you never reported news for a living. You delivered papers. It's a business, and a demanding one, but it is not news. If you drove a truck full of band-aids, you still don't get to pretend you're a doctor. And you don't get to make that breathtaking claim until you produce someone who DID work in the newsroom to agree that you "told the newsroom people what to do." I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in journalism. |
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I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in journalism. I know I shouldn't validate your asinine post with an answer, but your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. I've never pretended to be anything, my work and business ownership history is a matter of public record, and your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid employees of a newspaper are "reporters" says volumes about you and your supercilious attitude. Here's a tiny clue from someone who participated in the budget planning of several newspapers: Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called "reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management level, you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck. Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers because they were held in such high professional regard? Oh, you didn't know that? Shucks. That said, and with this new knowledge firmly embedded in your craw, it's time to call you out. No one here has seen any evidence that *you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a 2-bit disk jockey under the name "Stella Starr" as serious journalism -- yet YOU have the audacity to question my chops in the newspaper world? You need a hobby. I suggest flying. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:TGnAj.13113$TT4.6194@attbi_s22: I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in journalism. I know I shouldn't validate your asinine post with an answer, but your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. I've never pretended to be anything, my work and business ownership history is a matter of public record, and your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid employees of a newspaper are "reporters" says volumes about you and your supercilious attitude. Here's a tiny clue from someone who participated in the budget planning of several newspapers: Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called "reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management level, you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck. Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers because they were held in such high professional regard? Oh, you didn't know that? Shucks. That said, and with this new knowledge firmly embedded in your craw, it's time to call you out. No one here has seen any evidence that *you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a 2-bit disk jockey under the name "Stella Starr" as serious journalism -- yet YOU have the audacity to question my chops in the newspaper world? He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did. Bertie |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did. Bertie Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl. I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-) |
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Stella Starr wrote in
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did. Bertie Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl. I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-) Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint.. Bertie. |
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![]() "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Stella Starr wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did. Bertie Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl. I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-) Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint.. Is that a real pint or a short pint? |
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"akjcbkJA" wrote in
: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Stella Starr wrote in : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did. Bertie Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl. I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-) Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint.. Is that a real pint or a short pint? WTF is a short pint? Bertie |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I've never pretended to be anything, Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then: I've worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette. I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize sales. You have commented on reporting in this newsgroup and said it was because of your previous career as "a newsman." That's what I object to. your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid employees of a newspaper are "reporters" Never said it. Never implied it. Never believed it. I said you pretended to be a "newsman," which does not mean "newspaper delivery professional" to people who read that term. participated in the budget planning of several newspapers: I did acknowledge that your work in the delivery end of the business was demanding and you were obviously successful at it. Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called "reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management level, you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck. Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers because they were held in such high professional regard? Amazing rant, and it explains a lot about your disdain for reporting. I didn't think you were the type to make such an attack, or that you hated journalists so intensely. No one here has seen any evidence that *you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a 2-bit disk jockey You have. In the past you and I have discussed my work, at the state radio network where I spent six years reporting and anchoring news. I'm a little surprised that you want to deny it now, but anyone who knows my real last name (yes, I started in this business as a DJ, and wouldn't deny it -- those years were lots of fun) can easily google thousands of stories I reported. Jay, I'm disappointed in you. While people enjoy your descriptive writing about flying ventures, you seem to put more energy into silly arguments and a great deal of vitriol into defending some wild-ass opinions. If you stick with your strong points, you could regain some of that respect. |
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Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
I've worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette. Those aren't claims -- those are facts. I have worked for and with all four of those newspapers. For you (or anyone else) to assume that my employment had anything to do with being a reporter, of all things, is presumptuous. I've never claimed to be one, nor, after my first two years in newspapers, did I ever want to be one. Anyone who has ever worked in newspapers knows that the newsroom makes up a tiny percentage of the workforce -- probably less than 10%. Why in hell you would think that everyone who says they've worked in newspapers is a reporter is a mystery. I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize sales. That is 100% correct. I did precisely that, in daily meetings, for years. That's marketing -- and if newspapers had paid more attention to it over the years perhaps they wouldn't be dying now. You have commented on reporting in this newsgroup and said it was because of your previous career as "a newsman." That's what I object to. That is a lie. I have never, ever claimed to be a reporter at a daily newspaper -- even though I have published magazine articles. Amazing rant, and it explains a lot about your disdain for reporting. I didn't think you were the type to make such an attack, or that you hated journalists so intensely. I don't hate journalists. I hate people who claim to be journalists that call me a liar or a fraud in an international forum. If I'm not making myself clear here, that would be YOU, Stella. Jay, I'm disappointed in you. While people enjoy your descriptive writing about flying ventures, you seem to put more energy into silly arguments and a great deal of vitriol into defending some wild-ass opinions. If you stick with your strong points, you could regain some of that respect. I don't give two ****s about your "disappointment". No one accuses me of lying about my newspaper credentials and doesn't get called to task for it -- I don't care how many times you've stayed in my hotel, or how many times your husband buys the beer. You were totally, 100% out of line for saying what you did, and your pointless blather isn't going to change that. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kCJAj.67638$yE1.38355@attbi_s21: Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then: I've worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette. Those aren't claims -- those are facts. I have worked for and with all four of those newspapers. For you (or anyone else) to assume that my employment had anything to do with being a reporter, of all things, is presumptuous. I've never claimed to be one, nor, after my first two years in newspapers, did I ever want to be one. It was your implication and you know it, paperboi. Bertie |
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