Way off topic, but it has do to with the French

Jay Honeck wrote:


I told the newsroom people what to do in order to
maximize sales...

I was quickly promoted beyond the newsroom,...

I was careful to note that I'm not disrespecting your business skills.
But you never reported news for a living. You delivered papers. It's a
business, and a demanding one, but it is not news. If you drove a truck
full of band-aids, you still don't get to pretend you're a doctor.

And you don't get to make that breathtaking claim until you produce
someone who DID work in the newsroom to agree that you "told the
newsroom people what to do."

I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and
many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in journalism.

I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman, and
many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in
journalism.

I know I shouldn't validate your asinine post with an answer, but your
arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. I've never pretended to be
anything, my work and business ownership history is a matter of public
record, and your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid
employees of a newspaper are "reporters" says volumes about you and your
supercilious attitude.

Here's a tiny clue from someone who participated in the budget planning of
several newspapers: Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called
"reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at the
very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management level,
you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top
wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck.

Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers because
they were held in such high professional regard? Oh, you didn't know that?
Shucks.

That said, and with this new knowledge firmly embedded in your craw, it's
time to call you out. No one here has seen any evidence that *you* have
ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a 2-bit disk jockey
under the name "Stella Starr" as serious journalism -- yet YOU have the
audacity to question my chops in the newspaper world?

You need a hobby. I suggest flying.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:TGnAj.13113$TT4.6194@attbi_s22:

I warned you a long time ago that if I caught you pretending to be a
journalist again I'd call you on it. You're a pilot, a businessman,
and many things, but you have never ever reported news or worked in
journalism.

I know I shouldn't validate your asinine post with an answer, but your
arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. I've never pretended to
be anything, my work and business ownership history is a matter of
public record, and your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the
only valid employees of a newspaper are "reporters" says volumes about
you and your supercilious attitude.

Here's a tiny clue from someone who participated in the budget
planning of several newspapers: Your vaunted "journalists" are
actually called "reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and
with, and they are at the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever
reach the management level, you'll know that they are regarded as
cannon fodder, cheaper than screw-top wine and as interchangeable as
athletic socks. Worse, most of them suck.

Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers
because they were held in such high professional regard? Oh, you
didn't know that? Shucks.

That said, and with this new knowledge firmly embedded in your craw,
it's time to call you out. No one here has seen any evidence that
*you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a
2-bit disk jockey under the name "Stella Starr" as serious journalism
-- yet YOU have the audacity to question my chops in the newspaper
world?



He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.


Bertie

Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)

Stella Starr wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.


Bertie

Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)


Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint..



Bertie.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Stella Starr wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.


Bertie

Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)


Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint..

Is that a real pint or a short pint?

"akjcbkJA" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
Stella Starr wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


He didn't lie about being a journalist , you did.


Bertie

Thanks Bertie, but I'm a girl.
I'll be happy to discuss the issue over a pint or two, anytime. :-)


Sorry... But I might take you up on the pint..

Is that a real pint or a short pint?



WTF is a short pint?


Bertie

Jay Honeck wrote:

I've never pretended to
be anything,

Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
I've
worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the
Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize
sales.

You have commented on reporting in this newsgroup and said it was
because of your previous career as "a newsman." That's what I object to.

your astoundingly self-righteous belief that the only valid employees
of a newspaper are "reporters"

Never said it. Never implied it. Never believed it. I said you
pretended to be a "newsman," which does not mean "newspaper delivery
professional" to people who read that term.

participated in the budget planning
of several newspapers:

I did acknowledge that your work in the delivery end of the business was
demanding and you were obviously successful at it.

Your vaunted "journalists" are actually called
"reporters" at every newspaper I've worked at and with, and they are at
the very bottom of the food chain. If you ever reach the management
level, you'll know that they are regarded as cannon fodder, cheaper than
screw-top wine and as interchangeable as athletic socks. Worse, most of
them suck.

Or did you think they got paid less per hour than our bundle haulers
because they were held in such high professional regard?

Amazing rant, and it explains a lot about your disdain for reporting. I
didn't think you were the type to make such an attack, or that you hated
journalists so intensely.

No one here has seen any evidence that
*you* have ever been a serious journalist -- unless you count being a
2-bit disk jockey

You have. In the past you and I have discussed my work, at the state
radio network where I spent six years reporting and anchoring news. I'm
a little surprised that you want to deny it now, but anyone who knows my
real last name (yes, I started in this business as a DJ, and wouldn't
deny it -- those years were lots of fun) can easily google thousands of
stories I reported.

Jay, I'm disappointed in you. While people enjoy your descriptive
writing about flying ventures, you seem to put more energy into silly
arguments and a great deal of vitriol into defending some wild-ass
opinions. If you stick with your strong points, you could regain some
of that respect.

Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
I've
worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times, the
Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

Those aren't claims -- those are facts. I have worked for and with all
four of those newspapers. For you (or anyone else) to assume that my
employment had anything to do with being a reporter, of all things, is
presumptuous. I've never claimed to be one, nor, after my first two years
in newspapers, did I ever want to be one.

Anyone who has ever worked in newspapers knows that the newsroom makes up a
tiny percentage of the workforce -- probably less than 10%. Why in hell you
would think that everyone who says they've worked in newspapers is a
reporter is a mystery.

I told the newsroom people what to do in order to maximize
sales.

That is 100% correct. I did precisely that, in daily meetings, for years.
That's marketing -- and if newspapers had paid more attention to it over the
years perhaps they wouldn't be dying now.

You have commented on reporting in this newsgroup and said it was because
of your previous career as "a newsman." That's what I object to.

That is a lie. I have never, ever claimed to be a reporter at a daily
newspaper -- even though I have published magazine articles.

Amazing rant, and it explains a lot about your disdain for reporting. I
didn't think you were the type to make such an attack, or that you hated
journalists so intensely.

I don't hate journalists. I hate people who claim to be journalists that
call me a liar or a fraud in an international forum.

If I'm not making myself clear here, that would be YOU, Stella.

Jay, I'm disappointed in you. While people enjoy your descriptive writing
about flying ventures, you seem to put more energy into silly arguments
and a great deal of vitriol into defending some wild-ass opinions. If you
stick with your strong points, you could regain some of that respect.

I don't give two ****s about your "disappointment". No one accuses me of
lying about my newspaper credentials and doesn't get called to task for
it -- I don't care how many times you've stayed in my hotel, or how many
times your husband buys the beer. You were totally, 100% out of line for
saying what you did, and your pointless blather isn't going to change that.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:kCJAj.67638$yE1.38355@attbi_s21:

Perhaps I misinterpreted these claims, then:
I've
worked for and with the New York Times, the Racine Journal Times,
the Chicago Tribune, and the Cedar Rapids Gazette.

Those aren't claims -- those are facts. I have worked for and with
all four of those newspapers. For you (or anyone else) to assume that
my employment had anything to do with being a reporter, of all things,
is presumptuous. I've never claimed to be one, nor, after my first
two years in newspapers, did I ever want to be one.


It was your implication and you know it, paperboi.

Bertie