funny

Funny stuff! They sure didn't want to go out on a limb, though.

"Dan RatherNot" wrote in message . ..
There's a show on NPR called Cartalk. 2 car mechanics supposedly giving
advice to callers but really it's just an excuse for them to goof around.
Hysterical. There's a segment about a guy wanting to put a Subaru engine in
an experiment plane. Scroll down to Mazda Miata with Wings
http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Back-Tracks/ Broadband helps.

Natural Light Black and White Photography
http://mysite.verizon.net/geost/
-George-

Ok Guys,

What's so funny about a Soob in a plane? That's precisely what I'm working on.
(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor choice.)

See links below.

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has crapped
out on me, yet.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull

Tempe, Arizona

Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/engine.html
for my Subaru Engine Conversion
Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/fuselage.html
for Tango II I'm building.

Corrie wrote:
Funny stuff! They sure didn't want to go out on a limb, though.

"Dan RatherNot" wrote in message . ..

There's a show on NPR called Cartalk. 2 car mechanics supposedly giving
advice to callers but really it's just an excuse for them to goof around.
Hysterical. There's a segment about a guy wanting to put a Subaru engine in
an experiment plane. Scroll down to Mazda Miata with Wings
http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Back-Tracks/ Broadband helps.

Natural Light Black and White Photography
http://mysite.verizon.net/geost/
-George-

What's so funny about a Soob in a plane?

I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.

(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor choice.)
That's precisely what I'm working on.

Any other personal problems that you would care to reveal?

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has crapped
out on me, yet.

YET.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull

WoW....

Nothing quite like well intentioned advice and philosophy
uttered from a semi-literate, neophyte Soob dood's keyboard.

Are you listening, Lycoming and Continental?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss

Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane."
And THAT has something to do with his engine choice?????????
R

"Barnyard BOb --" wrote in message
...

What's so funny about a Soob in a plane?

I don't know.
What?

I do know.... the last Soob powered local plane crashed,
burned and the pilot became another fatality statistic off the
end of runway. Maiden flight Propulsion issues.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...12X19459&key=1

YMMV, but you appear to share and reflect the pilot-builder's deadly
attitude. The devil lurks in the 10,000 details.

(Don't worry I don't get uptight about people questioning my motor
choice.)
That's precisely what I'm working on.

Any other personal problems that you would care to reveal?

For the anti car conversion crowd, I'm not worried about the engine. I've
done
the motorcycle, drag truck, dirt track etc and not a single engine has
crapped
out on me, yet.

YET.

I believe if you take the time and do things right the first time it
don't
matter where the engine originally came from.

--
Bart D. Hull

WoW....

Nothing quite like well intentioned advice and philosophy
uttered from a semi-literate, neophyte Soob dood's keyboard.

Are you listening, Lycoming and Continental?


Barnyard BOb -- Ignorance is bliss

"RSwanson" wrote:

Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane."
And THAT has something to do with his engine choice?????????
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You don't comprehend the TOTAL scenario for beans, do you?
This is a tragic comedy of errors.. not jerror.

You can't cherry pick a last line and expect to learn squat
or argue in an intelligent manner.

To begin with... the prop/engine combo could not pull the plane
though the air with sufficient airspeed above a stall. The
pilot-builder committed a number of errors before, during and
after take off that doomed him.

If the nuances and details of the report escape you , sorry.
The loss is yours.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 08:02:56 -0500, Barnyard BOb -- wrote:


"RSwanson" wrote:

Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane." And THAT has something to do with
his engine choice?????????
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You don't comprehend the TOTAL scenario for beans, do you? This is a
tragic comedy of errors.. not jerror.

You can't cherry pick a last line and expect to learn squat or argue in
an intelligent manner.

To begin with... the prop/engine combo could not pull the plane though
the air with sufficient airspeed above a stall. The pilot-builder
committed a number of errors before, during and after take off that
doomed him.

If the nuances and details of the report escape you , sorry. The loss is
yours.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight.

I have to agree with BOb on this one.

You could conclude that the thrust problem was due to the prop pitch being
set too fine, which it apparently was. The engine didn't fail. Now, why
was the prop pitch set so fine? Two possibilities: the engine wasn't
putting out enough power, or the builder simply screwed up with this
"non-standard" prop. Why was he using such a "non-standard" prop? He had
that prop because of the "non-standard" engine installation.

If you stick with a "standard" aviation engine and prop, there is no
guarantee they will be problem free, but at least the usual problem areas
are well known and you should be able to watch out for them. If you go
with a "non-standard" engine and/or prop you don't know what problems to
look out for, so you can get bit, as happened in this case.

From what I can tell the core engines seem to do OK in the automotive
conversions, but it is the other stuff that causes problems - PSRUs,
ignition systems, fuel systems, cooling systems, props, etc. But if you
have a power loss it doesn't matter whether it was the core engine or some
other part that let you down. You are in the trees either way.

A local Murphy Rebel flyer had a Subura conversion, but he eventually
pulled it out and went with a Lycoming. He had scared himself a few too
many times with various failues of his home-brew conversion.

--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
e-mail: khorton02(_at_)rogers(_dot_)com

Kevin Horton wrote:

"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in an
inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's lack of
experience in this type of airplane." And THAT has something to do with
his engine choice?????????
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You don't comprehend the TOTAL scenario for beans, do you? This is a
tragic comedy of errors.. not jerror.

You can't cherry pick a last line and expect to learn squat or argue in
an intelligent manner.

To begin with... the prop/engine combo could not pull the plane though
the air with sufficient airspeed above a stall. The pilot-builder
committed a number of errors before, during and after take off that
doomed him.

If the nuances and details of the report escape you , sorry. The loss is
yours.


Barnyard BOb -- 50 years of flight.

I have to agree with BOb on this one.

You could conclude that the thrust problem was due to the prop pitch being
set too fine, which it apparently was. The engine didn't fail. Now, why
was the prop pitch set so fine? Two possibilities: the engine wasn't
putting out enough power, or the builder simply screwed up with this
"non-standard" prop. Why was he using such a "non-standard" prop? He had
that prop because of the "non-standard" engine installation.

If you stick with a "standard" aviation engine and prop, there is no
guarantee they will be problem free, but at least the usual problem areas
are well known and you should be able to watch out for them. If you go
with a "non-standard" engine and/or prop you don't know what problems to
look out for, so you can get bit, as happened in this case.

From what I can tell the core engines seem to do OK in the automotive
conversions, but it is the other stuff that causes problems - PSRUs,
ignition systems, fuel systems, cooling systems, props, etc. But if you
have a power loss it doesn't matter whether it was the core engine or some
other part that let you down. You are in the trees either way.

A local Murphy Rebel flyer had a Subura conversion, but he eventually
pulled it out and went with a Lycoming. He had scared himself a few too
many times with various failues of his home-brew conversion.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Right on and well stated, Kevin.


Barnyard BOb --

Kevin Horton wrote
If you stick with a "standard" aviation engine and prop, there is no
guarantee they will be problem free, but at least the usual problem areas
are well known and you should be able to watch out for them. If you go
with a "non-standard" engine and/or prop you don't know what problems to
look out for, so you can get bit, as happened in this case.

In fact, if you just stop experimenting and do things the way everyone
else has always done them (the "standard" way), you avoid lots of
problems.

Now excuse me - I'm going to lunch, so I need to sharpen my spear.

Michael

On 05 Oct 2003 04:02 AM, Barnyard BOb -- posted the following:

"RSwanson" wrote:

Final line of the report:
"The pilot's failure to maintain adequate airspeed which resulted in
an inadvertent stall. Contributing to the accident was the pilot's
lack of experience in this type of airplane." And THAT has something
to do with his engine choice?????????
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You don't comprehend the TOTAL scenario for beans, do you?
This is a tragic comedy of errors.. not jerror.

You can't cherry pick a last line and expect to learn squat
or argue in an intelligent manner.

To begin with... the prop/engine combo could not pull the plane
though the air with sufficient airspeed above a stall. The
pilot-builder committed a number of errors before, during and
after take off that doomed him.

If the nuances and details of the report escape you , sorry.
The loss is yours.

The report says that his prop was adjusted incorrectly. Is it your
position that it is impossible to have an incorrectly adjusted prop on a
Lycoming, or that somebody smart enough to install a lycoming would not
have adjusted it incorrectly?

Either way I don't see how the choice of engine had anything to do with
it, only the installation. Even the auto-conversion advocates will tell
you that everything depends on the quality of the installation.

----------------------------------------------------
Del Rawlins-
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Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Either way I don't see how the choice of engine had anything to do with
it, only the installation. Even the auto-conversion advocates will tell
you that everything depends on the quality of the installation.

Del Rawlins-
++++++++++++++++++++++
You have tunnel vision, Del.
I cannot help you. g


Barnyard BOb --