radiocomm question

"TakeFlight" wrote in message
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Had a dual flight the other day at RDU (runway diagram link at bottom
for reference). We requested runway 14 for departure, and ground told
us "taxi to runway 14 via Juliet, Charlie, hold short of 23L" (we were
departing from the general aviation ramp).

So I taxied out, eventually holding short of 23L on Charlie. The
instructor asked if I was going to switch to tower. I told him no,
that we weren't at 14 yet. He insisted that since we were holding
short of 23L that we needed to contact the tower to get across. I
disagreed.

So he called the tower and reported us as "holding short of 23L."
After a landing aircraft rolled by, tower told us to taxi to 14 and
cleared us for takeoff.

In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.

Agreed. I have noticed at quite a few airports that the tower likes to
handle the crossing of active runways. If this is the case, Ground should
have instructed you to contact the tower when holding short at Charlie.

If the runway were obviously clear and it looked like I'd been forgotten, I
would have contacted Ground and reminded them that I was holding short of 23L.
Since you were holding for landing traffic, it's quite possible that Ground
would have instructed you to continue your taxi once the landing traffic was
clear.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
In 18 years of flying, I've never run across this before. Is this
something new, peculiar to RDU, or was he just mistaken? Whenever I've
been in this situation before, ground always was the one to tell me to
cross a runway and taxi on to my departing runway. Granted, it could
be the same controller just on a different freq....


Your instructor was mistaken. You should remain with ground control until
ready to request takeoff clearance unless told otherwise.


I agree. I'd have stayed with ground until I was ready for takeoff from the
runway I was going to use. When I was ready to actually take off after runup,
I'd switch to tower to get the go-ahead to actually enter the runway for either
immediate departure or taxi and hold, as the case may be.

I flew out of RDU Monday through Friday for a time as a courier pilot and never
heard of this before. And RDU is probably busy enough to have its own ground
controller.



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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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