Airparks; Living On The Beaten Path?

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ...


Ercoupe 415, 85 hp, cruise ~110 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...upe-415-g.html)
Luscombe 8F, 90 hp, cruise ~95 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...scombe-8a.html)
Rearwin Sportster '8500', 85 hp, cruise ~103 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...0Sportster.htm)
Rearwin Speedster '6000C', 95 hp, cruise ~120 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...0Speedster.htm)
Taylorcraft BC-12D, 65 hp, 90-100 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...aylorcraft.htm)

That was fun. T cart is T-craft?


I've flown all of these airplanes except the Speedster, though I did talk
to one of the Rearwin Family about buying the first production airplane at
one time. I think it might still be for sale, but the price is big and it
needs complete restoration. It's Cirrus powered one. Th eMenasco powered
airplane cruised at 140 plus IIRC.

Those figures are rubbish for the Luscombe and the Ercoupe in particular.
All the foloowing figures are in MPH.
The Ercoupe will do about 95 to 100 on an 85 and the Luscombe will cruise
an honest 100 on a 65 and over 110 with an 85. The T-cart will do 95mph
with an A -65 ( My first airplane was a T-cart) The Sporster came with a
large variety of HPs depending and even the 60 HP one wil cruise at over 90
on a good day. a 90 HP Sporster is a fine airplane, BTW.
BTW, the luscombe still holds the closed course record for a production
airplane in it's class 69 years after it set the record. 129 mph, IIRC.
That was an A-65 posered one BTW.

Then there are airplanes like the Jodel 1040. with an O-200 it will lift
three 200 lb guys out of an 1100 foot strip with six hours endurance and
cruise at 120 mph. A Jodel D-12 will do over 100 with an A-65 and get out
of a 600 foot long strip with two guys on board.
The Ercoupe was a good performer, but it wasn't the best at anything.


Bertie

We've got an old guy (as if I'm not) here who has 3 1/2 coupes, and he does like them. I was quoting him on the
performance numbers, so I can't say from personal experience. He also has a twister (raced it at Cleveland and Reno!) in
his hanger alongside the meyers 200. He likes flying circles around the cessners tho'...

So many airplanes, so little time...what is a T-cart? Your numbers seem to match up on that line...

"Blueskies" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...


Ercoupe 415, 85 hp, cruise ~110 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...s/ercoupe/1949
-ercoupe-415-g.html) Luscombe 8F, 90 hp, cruise ~95 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...s/luscombe/194
6-luscombe-8a.html) Rearwin Sportster '8500', 85 hp, cruise ~103 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...win/Rearwin%20
Sportster.htm) Rearwin Speedster '6000C', 95 hp, cruise ~120 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...win/Rearwin%20
Speedster.htm) Taylorcraft BC-12D, 65 hp, 90-100 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...aylorcraft.htm)

That was fun. T cart is T-craft?


I've flown all of these airplanes except the Speedster, though I did
talk to one of the Rearwin Family about buying the first production
airplane at one time. I think it might still be for sale, but the
price is big and it needs complete restoration. It's Cirrus powered
one. Th eMenasco powered airplane cruised at 140 plus IIRC.

Those figures are rubbish for the Luscombe and the Ercoupe in
particular. All the foloowing figures are in MPH.
The Ercoupe will do about 95 to 100 on an 85 and the Luscombe will
cruise an honest 100 on a 65 and over 110 with an 85. The T-cart will
do 95mph with an A -65 ( My first airplane was a T-cart) The Sporster
came with a large variety of HPs depending and even the 60 HP one wil
cruise at over 90 on a good day. a 90 HP Sporster is a fine airplane,
BTW. BTW, the luscombe still holds the closed course record for a
production airplane in it's class 69 years after it set the record.
129 mph, IIRC. That was an A-65 posered one BTW.

Then there are airplanes like the Jodel 1040. with an O-200 it will
lift three 200 lb guys out of an 1100 foot strip with six hours
endurance and cruise at 120 mph. A Jodel D-12 will do over 100 with
an A-65 and get out of a 600 foot long strip with two guys on board.
The Ercoupe was a good performer, but it wasn't the best at anything.


Bertie

We've got an old guy (as if I'm not) here who has 3 1/2 coupes, and he
does like them. I was quoting him on the performance numbers, so I
can't say from personal experience. He also has a twister (raced it at
Cleveland and Reno!) in his hanger alongside the meyers 200. He likes
flying circles around the cessners tho'...

So many airplanes, so little time...what is a T-cart? Your numbers
seem to match up on that line...


Oh sorry, nickname for a Taylorcraft. Mine was a BF 65 but had a
continental in it. Lovely little airplane. It's just been restored by the
present owner and is still flying at the age of 69.

I have factory figures for the airplane ( Original press publications from
the thirties for each)
Ercoupe 415-C A-65 powered:
cruise @ 80% 95, initial ROC 600fpm stall 37
And the postwar airplane with the 85
cruise @75% 100 mph stall 48 (?!!) initial ROC 750 FPM.

I have no idea why the stal speed jumped so much, bu tI suspect they didn't
correct indicated on the earlier airplane. 48 sounds high for a wing
loading that low as well, but such were the vagaries of published figures.
Good thing they're more honest these days, eh?


The 415-E with the C-85 and an uppped gross weight they say will do 110 at
80%, which is definitely not true of any I know of, but it's climb has gone
down to 550 FPM. Mostly due to the increased gross of 1400 over the earlier
machine's gross of 1180. Electrics and all that..
I forgot about the Culver Cadet, of course, which is published at 120
cruise with an A-75. AFAIK, this was an honest figure for the airplane, but
I've never flown one. And the figures for the aforementioned Bellanca
Junior with just about any of the available 90 horse engines was from 120
to 126 mph. An that was a three seater.
Most of the 90 horse monocoupes would have eaten it for breakfast as well.

Some Ercoupe trivia has to include the twin fuselage someone made in the
fifties as an airshow curiosity and it holds a place in history as the
first aircraft to have a JATO bottle installed. There's a famous pic of
that flight with the airplane taking off at an absolutely insane angle of
climb.I'm sure it's on the net somewhere.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Blueskies" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Ercoupe 415, 85 hp, cruise ~110 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...s/ercoupe/1949
-ercoupe-415-g.html) Luscombe 8F, 90 hp, cruise ~95 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...s/luscombe/194
6-luscombe-8a.html) Rearwin Sportster '8500', 85 hp, cruise ~103 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...win/Rearwin%20
Sportster.htm) Rearwin Speedster '6000C', 95 hp, cruise ~120 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...win/Rearwin%20
Speedster.htm) Taylorcraft BC-12D, 65 hp, 90-100 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...aylorcraft.htm)

That was fun. T cart is T-craft?


I've flown all of these airplanes except the Speedster, though I did
talk to one of the Rearwin Family about buying the first production
airplane at one time. I think it might still be for sale, but the
price is big and it needs complete restoration. It's Cirrus powered
one. Th eMenasco powered airplane cruised at 140 plus IIRC.

Those figures are rubbish for the Luscombe and the Ercoupe in
particular. All the foloowing figures are in MPH.
The Ercoupe will do about 95 to 100 on an 85 and the Luscombe will
cruise an honest 100 on a 65 and over 110 with an 85. The T-cart will
do 95mph with an A -65 ( My first airplane was a T-cart) The Sporster
came with a large variety of HPs depending and even the 60 HP one wil
cruise at over 90 on a good day. a 90 HP Sporster is a fine airplane,
BTW. BTW, the luscombe still holds the closed course record for a
production airplane in it's class 69 years after it set the record.
129 mph, IIRC. That was an A-65 posered one BTW.

Then there are airplanes like the Jodel 1040. with an O-200 it will
lift three 200 lb guys out of an 1100 foot strip with six hours
endurance and cruise at 120 mph. A Jodel D-12 will do over 100 with
an A-65 and get out of a 600 foot long strip with two guys on board.
The Ercoupe was a good performer, but it wasn't the best at anything.


Bertie

We've got an old guy (as if I'm not) here who has 3 1/2 coupes, and he
does like them. I was quoting him on the performance numbers, so I
can't say from personal experience. He also has a twister (raced it at
Cleveland and Reno!) in his hanger alongside the meyers 200. He likes
flying circles around the cessners tho'...

So many airplanes, so little time...what is a T-cart? Your numbers
seem to match up on that line...


Oh sorry, nickname for a Taylorcraft. Mine was a BF 65 but had a
continental in it. Lovely little airplane. It's just been restored by the
present owner and is still flying at the age of 69.

I have factory figures for the airplane ( Original press publications from
the thirties for each)
Ercoupe 415-C A-65 powered:
cruise @ 80% 95, initial ROC 600fpm stall 37
And the postwar airplane with the 85
cruise @75% 100 mph stall 48 (?!!) initial ROC 750 FPM.

I have no idea why the stal speed jumped so much, bu tI suspect they
didn't
correct indicated on the earlier airplane. 48 sounds high for a wing
loading that low as well, but such were the vagaries of published figures.
Good thing they're more honest these days, eh?


The 415-E with the C-85 and an uppped gross weight they say will do 110 at
80%, which is definitely not true of any I know of, but it's climb has
gone
down to 550 FPM. Mostly due to the increased gross of 1400 over the
earlier
machine's gross of 1180. Electrics and all that..
I forgot about the Culver Cadet, of course, which is published at 120
cruise with an A-75. AFAIK, this was an honest figure for the airplane,
but
I've never flown one. And the figures for the aforementioned Bellanca
Junior with just about any of the available 90 horse engines was from 120
to 126 mph. An that was a three seater.
Most of the 90 horse monocoupes would have eaten it for breakfast as well.

Some Ercoupe trivia has to include the twin fuselage someone made in the
fifties as an airshow curiosity and it holds a place in history as the
first aircraft to have a JATO bottle installed. There's a famous pic of
that flight with the airplane taking off at an absolutely insane angle of
climb.I'm sure it's on the net somewhere.


Bertie

I ran into that while looikng for info on the undercarriage, here's one of
the links:
http://www.geocities.com/~planes/cfacts/jato.htm

Peter

Do you idiots NOT understand that if you do NOT snip that we will NOT go
down to see what you have to say?

Jim

On 2008-03-12, RST Engineering wrote:
Do you idiots NOT understand that if you do NOT snip that we will NOT go
down to see what you have to say?

Amen. If all I see on the first page is quoted text, I just hit N.

(No, the answer is not top-posting, either; that's just as evil.)
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Do you idiots NOT understand that if you do NOT snip that we will NOT
go
down to see what you have to say?


























































nope, that's completely beyond me.


Bertie

On Mar 12, 1:09 am, "RST Engineering" wrote:
Do you idiots NOT understand that if you do NOT snip that we will NOT go
down to see what you have to say?

Jim

I'm looking for the example that you didn't include....that's super
snipping.

Or worse yet, we'll only read the top-posters' comments.
Nyaa-nyaaaahhh!

RST Engineering wrote:
Do you idiots NOT understand that if you do NOT snip that we will NOT go
down to see what you have to say?

Jim


PS: I second what he said.

On Mar 11, 9:59*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in .com...



"Blueskies" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Ercoupe 415, 85 hp, cruise ~110 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...s/ercoupe/1949
-ercoupe-415-g.html) Luscombe 8F, 90 hp, cruise ~95 mph
(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...s/luscombe/194
6-luscombe-8a.html) Rearwin Sportster '8500', 85 hp, cruise ~103 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...win/Rearwin%20
Sportster.htm) Rearwin Speedster '6000C', 95 hp, cruise ~120 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...win/Rearwin%20
Speedster.htm) Taylorcraft BC-12D, 65 hp, 90-100 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%...aylorcraft.htm)

That was fun. T cart is T-craft?

I've flown all of these airplanes except the Speedster, though I did
talk to one of the Rearwin Family about buying the first production
airplane at one time. I think it might still be for sale, but the
price is big and it needs complete restoration. It's Cirrus powered
one. Th eMenasco powered airplane cruised at 140 plus IIRC.

Those figures are rubbish for the Luscombe and the Ercoupe in
particular. All the foloowing figures are in MPH.
The Ercoupe will do about 95 to 100 on an 85 and the Luscombe will
cruise an honest 100 on a 65 and over 110 with an 85. The T-cart will
do 95mph with an A -65 ( My first airplane was a T-cart) The Sporster
came with a large variety of HPs depending and even the 60 HP one wil
cruise at over 90 on a good day. a 90 HP Sporster is a fine airplane,
BTW. BTW, the luscombe still holds the closed course record for a
production airplane in it's class 69 years after it set the record.
129 mph, IIRC. That was an A-65 posered one BTW.

Then there are airplanes like the Jodel 1040. with an O-200 it will
lift three 200 lb guys out of an 1100 foot strip with six hours
endurance and cruise at 120 mph. A Jodel D-12 will do over 100 with
an A-65 and get out of a 600 foot long strip with two guys on board.
The Ercoupe was a good performer, but it wasn't the best at anything.

Bertie

We've got an old guy (as if I'm not) here who has 3 1/2 coupes, and he
does like them. I was quoting him on the performance numbers, so I
can't say from personal experience. He also has a twister (raced it at
Cleveland and Reno!) in his hanger alongside the meyers 200. He likes
flying circles around the cessners tho'...

So many airplanes, so little time...what is a T-cart? Your numbers
seem to match up on that line...

Oh sorry, nickname for a Taylorcraft. Mine was a BF 65 but had a
continental in it. Lovely little airplane. It's just been restored by the
present owner and is still flying at the age of 69.

I have factory figures for the airplane ( Original press publications from
the thirties for each)
Ercoupe 415-C A-65 powered:
cruise @ 80% 95, initial ROC 600fpm stall 37
And the postwar airplane with the 85
cruise @75% 100 mph stall 48 (?!!) initial ROC 750 FPM.

I have no idea why the stal speed jumped so much, bu tI suspect they
didn't
correct indicated on the earlier airplane. 48 sounds high for a wing
loading that low as well, but such were the vagaries of published figures.
Good thing they're more honest these days, eh? *

The 415-E with the C-85 and an uppped gross weight they say will do 110 at
80%, which is definitely not true of any I know of, but it's climb has
gone
down to 550 FPM. Mostly due to the increased gross of 1400 over the
earlier
machine's gross of 1180. Electrics and all that..
I forgot about the Culver Cadet, of course, which is published at 120
cruise with an A-75. AFAIK, this was an honest figure for the airplane,
but
I've never flown one. And the figures for the aforementioned Bellanca
Junior with just about any of the available 90 horse engines was from 120
to 126 mph. An that was a three seater.
Most of the 90 horse monocoupes would have eaten it for breakfast as well.

Some Ercoupe trivia has to include the twin fuselage someone made in the
fifties as an airshow curiosity and it holds a place in history as the
first aircraft to have a JATO bottle installed. There's a famous pic of
that flight with the airplane taking off at an absolutely insane angle of
climb.I'm sure it's on the net somewhere.

Bertie

I ran into that while looikng for info on the undercarriage, here's one of
the links:http://www.geocities.com/~planes/cfacts/jato.htm

Peter- Hide quoted text -

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That angle of climb doesn't look insane to me. hell, my Zenith 801
looks like that on an off day...There must be another pic showing it
performing at alot higher climb angle.

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On Mar 11, 9:59*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in
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"Blueskies" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
. ..

Ercoupe 415, 85 hp, cruise ~110 mph

(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...tions/ercoupe/
1949

-ercoupe-415-g.html) Luscombe 8F, 90 hp, cruise ~95 mph

(http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/airc...tions/luscombe
/194

6-luscombe-8a.html) Rearwin Sportster '8500', 85 hp, cruise ~103
mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%
20performance/rearwin/Rearwi
n%20

Sportster.htm) Rearwin Speedster '6000C', 95 hp, cruise ~120 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%
20performance/rearwin/Rearwi
n%20

Speedster.htm) Taylorcraft BC-12D, 65 hp, 90-100 mph
(http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%
20performance/Taylorcraft.ht
m)

That was fun. T cart is T-craft?

I've flown all of these airplanes except the Speedster, though I
did talk to one of the Rearwin Family about buying the first
production airplane at one time. I think it might still be for
sale, but the price is big and it needs complete restoration.
It's Cirrus powered one. Th eMenasco powered airplane cruised at
140 plus IIRC.

Those figures are rubbish for the Luscombe and the Ercoupe in
particular. All the foloowing figures are in MPH.
The Ercoupe will do about 95 to 100 on an 85 and the Luscombe
will cruise an honest 100 on a 65 and over 110 with an 85. The
T-cart will do 95mph with an A -65 ( My first airplane was a
T-cart) The Sporster came with a large variety of HPs depending
and even the 60 HP one wil cruise at over 90 on a good day. a 90
HP Sporster is a fine airplane, BTW. BTW, the luscombe still
holds the closed course record for a production airplane in it's
class 69 years after it set the record. 129 mph, IIRC. That was
an A-65 posered one BTW.

Then there are airplanes like the Jodel 1040. with an O-200 it
will lift three 200 lb guys out of an 1100 foot strip with six
hours endurance and cruise at 120 mph. A Jodel D-12 will do over
100 with an A-65 and get out of a 600 foot long strip with two
guys on board. The Ercoupe was a good performer, but it wasn't
the best at anything.

Bertie

We've got an old guy (as if I'm not) here who has 3 1/2 coupes,
and he does like them. I was quoting him on the performance
numbers, so I can't say from personal experience. He also has a
twister (raced it at Cleveland and Reno!) in his hanger alongside
the meyers 200. He likes flying circles around the cessners
tho'...

So many airplanes, so little time...what is a T-cart? Your numbers
seem to match up on that line...

Oh sorry, nickname for a Taylorcraft. Mine was a BF 65 but had a
continental in it. Lovely little airplane. It's just been restored
by th
e
present owner and is still flying at the age of 69.

I have factory figures for the airplane ( Original press
publications fr
om
the thirties for each)
Ercoupe 415-C A-65 powered:
cruise @ 80% 95, initial ROC 600fpm stall 37
And the postwar airplane with the 85
cruise @75% 100 mph stall 48 (?!!) initial ROC 750 FPM.

I have no idea why the stal speed jumped so much, bu tI suspect
they didn't
correct indicated on the earlier airplane. 48 sounds high for a
wing loading that low as well, but such were the vagaries of
published figure
s.
Good thing they're more honest these days, eh? *

The 415-E with the C-85 and an uppped gross weight they say will do
110
at
80%, which is definitely not true of any I know of, but it's climb
has gone
down to 550 FPM. Mostly due to the increased gross of 1400 over the
earlier
machine's gross of 1180. Electrics and all that..
I forgot about the Culver Cadet, of course, which is published at
120 cruise with an A-75. AFAIK, this was an honest figure for the
airplane, but
I've never flown one. And the figures for the aforementioned
Bellanca Junior with just about any of the available 90 horse
engines was from 12
0
to 126 mph. An that was a three seater.
Most of the 90 horse monocoupes would have eaten it for breakfast
as wel
l.

Some Ercoupe trivia has to include the twin fuselage someone made
in the

fifties as an airshow curiosity and it holds a place in history as
the first aircraft to have a JATO bottle installed. There's a
famous pic of that flight with the airplane taking off at an
absolutely insane angle o
f
climb.I'm sure it's on the net somewhere.

Bertie

I ran into that while looikng for info on the undercarriage, here's
one of

the links:http://www.geocities.com/~planes/cfacts/jato.htm

Peter- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That angle of climb doesn't look insane to me. hell, my Zenith 801
looks like that on an off day...There must be another pic showing it
performing at alot higher climb angle.

That's not the pic I was thinking of, but it's about the same angle
IIRC. That's very steep for an Ercoupe. that's probably a 65 horse one
as well.


Bertie