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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in news:3e97f
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Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R', Trim 'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"

Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in news:3e97f
:



Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R', Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"


Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Bertie

Oh good lord, man.

To make sure they're down!


*geeez.*

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"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Bertie

Oh good lord, man.

To make sure they're down!


*geeez.*


I would have thought the difficulty in turning the engine over would
suffice. Though I bet it's been tried!




Bertie

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:46:34 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"Kloudy via AviationKB.com" u33403@uwe wrote in
news:8180da195218d@uwe:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Bertie

Oh good lord, man.

To make sure they're down!


*geeez.*


I would have thought the difficulty in turning the engine over would
suffice. Though I bet it's been tried!

Some years back I watched a guy in a Mooney try a go-around after the
gear failed to jack it up high enough for the prop to quit leaving
chaw marks. He (or the guy in the right seat) realized the folly in
that and then gave up. Starting at the numbers there was a line of
chaw marks fairly far apart which suddenly got real close together.
Then there was a couple hundred feet of clean runway followed by more
wide spaced chaw marks and then skid marks. He slid over half a mile
before leaving the runway.

I walked the runway to pick up "spare parts" and shot photos along the
way. I should post those. I also have a nice shot of a Beech
Mousekateer...er Musketeer setting mostly on its nose with its tail
feathers sticking way up in the air after doing a very nice imitation
of a Porpoise while landing down wind and in front of a large crowd.

I was the one interviewed as a witness. I only answered what I was
asked. I pointed out the bent push rod for the starboard main which
would not put the gear down. I did not offer my opinion it got that
way from trying to jack up the airplane while it was sliding on the
gear doors. No one asked about the melted tire rubber on the inside
of the nose gear doors.:-))

Actually it did surprisingly little damage to the outside. Of course
it meant a complete engine tear down and new prop.




Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote in
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Some years back I watched a guy in a Mooney try a go-around after the
gear failed to jack it up high enough for the prop to quit leaving
chaw marks. He (or the guy in the right seat) realized the folly in
that and then gave up. Starting at the numbers there was a line of
chaw marks fairly far apart which suddenly got real close together.
Then there was a couple hundred feet of clean runway followed by more
wide spaced chaw marks and then skid marks. He slid over half a mile
before leaving the runway.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. How did it happen? it just wasn;t down to
begin with or did it begin to retract after touchdown?


I had a drag link fail on a Twin Beech landing once and we went off the
side of the runway and bent the prop. they just bolted a new one on
overnight and we were flying it the next day.

Bertie

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:13:23 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Roger wrote in
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Some years back I watched a guy in a Mooney try a go-around after the
gear failed to jack it up high enough for the prop to quit leaving
chaw marks. He (or the guy in the right seat) realized the folly in
that and then gave up. Starting at the numbers there was a line of
chaw marks fairly far apart which suddenly got real close together.
Then there was a couple hundred feet of clean runway followed by more
wide spaced chaw marks and then skid marks. He slid over half a mile
before leaving the runway.

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. How did it happen? it just wasn;t down to
begin with or did it begin to retract after touchdown?

The guy "said" the gear failed when they set down but my take was he
hit the gear down switch right after that terrible noise started up
front, or too late to prevent it. In either case it appears to me the
thing was trying to raise the plane before the gear was fully
extended. The nose gear doors were still closed as well..
One we had the plane in the harness we were able to lower the gear
with the exception of the starboard side which had the long push rod
badly bent. That we had to drive a 2 X 6 into place to hold it down.

He was about a half mile from me at the numbers and the Mooney sits
very close to the ground so something could have failed as it set
down on the gear which would have been difficult for me to see, but
....

OTOH this was the first flight after the annual.:-))



I had a drag link fail on a Twin Beech landing once and we went off the
side of the runway and bent the prop. they just bolted a new one on
overnight and we were flying it the next day.

Bertie
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Mar 21, 4:17 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in news:3e97f
:

Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R', Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"

Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Bertie

Thought you were answering the OP, where he asked for the Landing
checklist...

I never do GUMPS on takeoff -- the T/O checks would be something like
TBSMCPMPTHFFR, which isn't a very useful mnemonic...

Dan wrote in news:4a64d767-4322-4a3a-b428-
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On Mar 21, 4:17 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in news:3e97f
:

Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R',
Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine
tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"

Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Bertie

Thought you were answering the OP, where he asked for the Landing
checklist...

I never do GUMPS on takeoff -- the T/O checks would be something like
TBSMCPMPTHFFR, which isn't a very useful mnemonic...


Cigmftt for any thing up to a twin Beech always worked fo me. The extra
T was for the tailwheel lock. The 3 was two crew anyway, so we used a
read and challenge for that, but it wasn't much more than that.

Bertie

Everyone knows the gear can't come up while taxiing anyway, no matter what
you do with the switches.

--
Regards, BobF.
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On Mar 21, 4:17 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:252806d9-1056-4209-b52b-
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On Mar 21, 3:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"Larry D. Cosby" lcosby at knology dot net wrote in news:3e97f
:

Hi, I was wondering what the acronym GUMPS stood on a landing
checklist.
Larry

Gas Undercarriage Mixture Prop

Never heard the S before.

There used to be CIGARTIP

Which was:

Controls, Instruments, Gas, Altimeter. can't remember the 'R', Trim
'I'
I don't know either and Props

Good one for simple lightplanes is CIGMFT. (Cig means fine tobacco)

Controls Instruments Gas Mixture Flaps Trim.

Betie

Neither of those had a gear check?

Unless R stands for "Retractable?"

Why would you need a gear check for takeoff?

Bertie

Thought you were answering the OP, where he asked for the Landing
checklist...

I never do GUMPS on takeoff -- the T/O checks would be something like
TBSMCPMPTHFFR, which isn't a very useful mnemonic...