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On Mar 23, 5:39*pm, wrote:
On Mar 23, 3:44*pm, Peter Clark wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill. Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777. I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won). He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or less. This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun rant. *Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a week that it's all in this guy's head?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got a notion that there is more to this than meets the eye. What if the guy bought the plane in Florida, he would owe the sales taxes on it. I can think of other scenarios that could cause this to happen. I don't know but I am very skeptical of anything that comes from campbell. So far we have only heard one side of this story. Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Specific Exemptions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An aircraft may be purchased tax-exempt if it is sold by or through a registered dealer to a nonresident purchaser who will remove the aircraft from this state. Within 5 days of the date of sale, the dealer must provide DOR with a copy of the invoice, bill of sale, and/ or closing statement; and the original, signed, removal affidavit. Tax will not be due if either of the following requirements are met: The aircraft must be removed from Florida within 10 days from the date of sale. If the aircraft needs repairs, additions, or alterations, it must immediately be placed in a repair facility registered with DOR and removed from Florida within 20 days from the date the work is complete. The purchaser must also meet these requirements: Sign an affidavit attesting that the purchaser has read the applicable rules and law regarding the exemption claimed and will timely remove the aircraft as required. Within 10 days of removal, furnish DOR with proof that the aircraft left Florida (submit copies of receipts for fuel charges, tie-down charges, or repair or hangar charges from outside Florida). Within 30 days of departure, furnish DOR with written proof that the aircraft was licensed, registered, titled, and hangared outside Florida. This exemption does not apply to sales to Florida residents, corporations whose officers or directors are Florida residents, or other entities whose controlling individual is a Florida resident. ========================== Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun. |
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On Mar 23, 7:22*pm, BobR wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:39*pm, wrote: On Mar 23, 3:44*pm, Peter Clark wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill. Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777. I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won). He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or less. This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun rant. *Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a week that it's all in this guy's head?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I got a notion that there is more to this than meets the eye. What if the guy bought the plane in Florida, he would owe the sales taxes on it. I can think of other scenarios that could cause this to happen. I don't know but I am very skeptical of anything that comes from campbell. So far we have only heard one side of this story. Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Specific Exemptions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- An aircraft may be purchased tax-exempt if it is sold by or through a registered dealer to a nonresident purchaser who will remove the aircraft from this state. Within 5 days of the date of sale, the dealer must provide DOR with a copy of the invoice, bill of sale, and/ or closing statement; and the original, signed, removal affidavit. Tax will not be due if either of the following requirements are met: The aircraft must be removed from Florida within 10 days from the date of sale. If the aircraft needs repairs, additions, or alterations, it must immediately be placed in a repair facility registered with DOR and removed from Florida within 20 days from the date the work is complete. The purchaser must also meet these requirements: Sign an affidavit attesting that the purchaser has read the applicable rules and law regarding the exemption claimed and will timely remove the aircraft as required. Within 10 days of removal, furnish DOR with proof that the aircraft left Florida (submit copies of receipts for fuel charges, tie-down charges, or repair or hangar charges from outside Florida). Within 30 days of departure, furnish DOR with written proof that the aircraft was licensed, registered, titled, and hangared outside Florida. This exemption does not apply to sales to Florida residents, corporations whose officers or directors are Florida residents, or other entities whose controlling individual is a Florida resident. ========================== Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. *Based on these, there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they can't charge user fees but that is a different animal. Harry K |
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![]() Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. *Based on these, there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text - http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different interpetation on the rules. - Show quoted text - Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they can't charge user fees but that is a different animal. Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that? Harry K Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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"Roger" wrote in message
... Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text - http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different interpetation on the rules. - Show quoted text - Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they can't charge user fees but that is a different animal. Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that? Harry K Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge and the case is now headed to court... Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know. Peter |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:45:41 -0400, "Peter Dohm"
wrote: "Roger" wrote in message .. . Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text - http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different interpetation on the rules. - Show quoted text - Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they can't charge user fees but that is a different animal. Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that? Harry K Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge and the case is now headed to court... Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know. Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to protect those flying into SnF. The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA is the state of Florida. Peter Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Roger wrote in
news ![]() On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:45:41 -0400, "Peter Dohm" wrote: "Roger" wrote in message . .. Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text - http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different interpetation on the rules. - Show quoted text - Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they can't charge user fees but that is a different animal. Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that? Harry K Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge and the case is now headed to court... Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know. Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to protect those flying into SnF. The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA is the state of Florida. Peter What do you expect of a state of which over 50% of the populace is of an age where they'll keep your balll if it falls in their yard? Bertie |
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Roger wrote:
Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to protect those flying into SnF. See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N. is basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause maximum damage to it and Florida. It appears to this causal observer that AOPA has fallen for a sucker punch. Note carefully that their letter and complaint is totally lacking in detail or specifics. I wonder why? Somebody who is a member of AOPA (I am not) might want to alert them to this bit of rehashed "journalism". The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA is the state of Florida. I didn't know who "zoom" was when I first started reading rec.aviation.homebuilt (among the groups this is cross-posted to) and really have no beef with the fellow. But the criticisms of him by others did make me suspicious of both his critics and him. And it does look like the "Zoom hangup" in this case is warranted. |
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Jim Logajan wrote: Roger wrote: See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N. is basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause maximum damage to it and Florida. Did it really happen or not? Apparently it did. Has the law changed to prevent a recurrance? Apparently it has not. Is a major aviation event scheduled to appear in the not-too-distant-future? It certainly is. Does this pose a danger to people who would be likely to fly in to it? I think it does. I think warning the aviation community of the problem is perfectly reasonable. A simple visit to Florida could cost you many thousands of dollars. Anybody tempted to visit that state deserves to know this. Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes. I think the AOPA should give some serious thought to moving SnF to a state that's not so hostile to visiting aviation. More importantly, I think we should fight this trend fought tooth-and-nail while we still can. First Maine, and now Florida. Pretty soon, all the states will get it into their heads that they can enhance revenue by charging use tax on every expensive vehicle that crosses the border. Soon, all of us will be limited to flying our airplanes around strictly within the confines of our home states. So; is it true or not? The AOPA article looks pretty damning. I hope it's not true. What evidence do you have that it's not? -- -Ed Falk, http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/ |
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