Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

On Mar 23, 5:39*pm, wrote:
On Mar 23, 3:44*pm, Peter Clark





wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't
add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new
Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill.
Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA
and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777.

I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their
visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won).
He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers
to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or
less.

This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from
the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun
rant.

*Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq

He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian
owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a
week that it's all in this guy's head?- Hide quoted text -

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I got a notion that there is more to this than meets the eye. What if
the guy bought the plane in Florida, he would owe the sales taxes on
it. I can think of other scenarios that could cause this to happen. I
don't know but I am very skeptical of anything that comes from
campbell. So far we have only heard one side of this story.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq- Hide quoted text -

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Specific Exemptions

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An aircraft may be purchased tax-exempt if it is sold by or through a
registered dealer to a nonresident purchaser who will remove the
aircraft from this state. Within 5 days of the date of sale, the
dealer must provide DOR with a copy of the invoice, bill of sale, and/
or closing statement; and the original, signed, removal affidavit.

Tax will not be due if either of the following requirements are met:

The aircraft must be removed from Florida within 10 days from the date
of sale.
If the aircraft needs repairs, additions, or alterations, it must
immediately be placed in a repair facility registered with DOR and
removed from Florida within 20 days from the date the work is
complete.
The purchaser must also meet these requirements:

Sign an affidavit attesting that the purchaser has read the applicable
rules and law regarding the exemption claimed and will timely remove
the aircraft as required.
Within 10 days of removal, furnish DOR with proof that the aircraft
left Florida (submit copies of receipts for fuel charges, tie-down
charges, or repair or hangar charges from outside Florida).
Within 30 days of departure, furnish DOR with written proof that the
aircraft was licensed, registered, titled, and hangared outside
Florida.
This exemption does not apply to sales to Florida residents,
corporations whose officers or directors are Florida residents, or
other entities whose controlling individual is a Florida resident.

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Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.

On Mar 23, 7:22*pm, BobR wrote:
On Mar 23, 5:39*pm, wrote:





On Mar 23, 3:44*pm, Peter Clark

wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:34:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
This latest line of zzzoom B.S. is one of those deals that just don't
add up. Can you imagine Netjets or some outfit like that flying a new
Gulfstream into Florida to pick up a charter and get that tax bill.
Maybe the state should just post a tax collector at each gate at MIA
and bill American every time they taxi in a new 777.

I liked the part toward the end of his rant about SnF inflating their
visitor count. I remember when the worthless ******* sued me (I won).
He stated under oath that he had in excess of 45,000 paid subscribers
to his so called magazine most believe it was closer to maybe 4,000 or
less.

This is just his latest ploy to stick it to SnF for barring him from
the show. You can about set your watch by his annual anti- Sun n Fun
rant.

*Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq

He might have a not-so-secret agenda, but wanna tell the Meridian
owner who got a $100,000+ tax bill when he showed up at SimCom for a
week that it's all in this guy's head?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I got a notion that there is more to this than meets the eye. What if
the guy bought the plane in Florida, he would owe the sales taxes on
it. I can think of other scenarios that could cause this to happen. I
don't know but I am very skeptical of anything that comes from
campbell. So far we have only heard one side of this story.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Secret World Hq- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Specific Exemptions

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

An aircraft may be purchased tax-exempt if it is sold by or through a
registered dealer to a nonresident purchaser who will remove the
aircraft from this state. Within 5 days of the date of sale, the
dealer must provide DOR with a copy of the invoice, bill of sale, and/
or closing statement; and the original, signed, removal affidavit.

Tax will not be due if either of the following requirements are met:

The aircraft must be removed from Florida within 10 days from the date
of sale.
If the aircraft needs repairs, additions, or alterations, it must
immediately be placed in a repair facility registered with DOR and
removed from Florida within 20 days from the date the work is
complete.
The purchaser must also meet these requirements:

Sign an affidavit attesting that the purchaser has read the applicable
rules and law regarding the exemption claimed and will timely remove
the aircraft as required.
Within 10 days of removal, furnish DOR with proof that the aircraft
left Florida (submit copies of receipts for fuel charges, tie-down
charges, or repair or hangar charges from outside Florida).
Within 30 days of departure, furnish DOR with written proof that the
aircraft was licensed, registered, titled, and hangared outside
Florida.
This exemption does not apply to sales to Florida residents,
corporations whose officers or directors are Florida residents, or
other entities whose controlling individual is a Florida resident.

==========================

Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. *Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Harry K

Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. *Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



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Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
...


Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted
text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



- Show quoted text -

Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine
case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge
and the case is now headed to court...

Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know.
Peter

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:45:41 -0400, "Peter Dohm"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
.. .


Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these, there
should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.- Hide quoted
text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



- Show quoted text -

Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say they
can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the Maine
case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department won't budge
and the case is now headed to court...

Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know.
Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with
the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify
things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a
big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to
protect those flying into SnF.

The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I
understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA
is the state of Florida.
Peter


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote in
news
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:45:41 -0400, "Peter Dohm"
wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
. ..


Seems the specific exemptions are fairly clear. Based on these,
there should be no reason for fear to those going to Sun-N-Fun.-
Hide quoted text -

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article.../080320fl.html
Apparently some of their collectors are placing a different
interpetation on the rules.



- Show quoted text -

Trying to tax an airplane (or other vehicle) legally bought and
registered in another state state would be in conflict with federal
laws concerning the 'right of free travel', i.e., you can travel
freely across state borders. They can no more tax a plane in those
circumstances than they can an automobile, boat, etc. Not to say
they can't charge user fees but that is a different animal.

Hasn't the statre of Maine been doing just that?


Harry K
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

My copy of AOPA Pilot was in today's mail and, as of press time, the
Maine case is still going. Apparently, the Maine revenue department
won't budge and the case is now headed to court...

Not my area of expertise, so that's all I know.
Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with
the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify
things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a
big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to
protect those flying into SnF.

The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I
understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA
is the state of Florida.
Peter


What do you expect of a state of which over 50% of the populace is of an
age where they'll keep your balll if it falls in their yard?


Bertie

Roger wrote:
Me neither, but the AOPA online site is saying they are working with
the state of Florida for a moratorium until after SnF and then rectify
things . They seem to think (the way I read it) is this could be a
big problem for SnF if not settled or a moratorium comes about to
protect those flying into SnF.

See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N. is
basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause maximum
damage to it and Florida. It appears to this causal observer that AOPA has
fallen for a sucker punch. Note carefully that their letter and complaint
is totally lacking in detail or specifics. I wonder why?

Somebody who is a member of AOPA (I am not) might want to alert them to
this bit of rehashed "journalism".

The problem I see on here is the guys are so hung up on Zoomn (and I
understand why) but the problem in this case according to the AOPA
is the state of Florida.

I didn't know who "zoom" was when I first started reading
rec.aviation.homebuilt (among the groups this is cross-posted to) and
really have no beef with the fellow. But the criticisms of him by others
did make me suspicious of both his critics and him. And it does look like
the "Zoom hangup" in this case is warranted.

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Roger wrote:

See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N. is
basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause maximum
damage to it and Florida.

Did it really happen or not? Apparently it did. Has the law changed
to prevent a recurrance? Apparently it has not. Is a major aviation
event scheduled to appear in the not-too-distant-future? It certainly
is. Does this pose a danger to people who would be likely to fly in
to it? I think it does. I think warning the aviation community
of the problem is perfectly reasonable. A simple visit to Florida
could cost you many thousands of dollars. Anybody tempted to visit
that state deserves to know this.

Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes.
I think the AOPA should give some serious thought to moving SnF to a
state that's not so hostile to visiting aviation.

More importantly, I think we should fight this trend fought tooth-and-nail
while we still can. First Maine, and now Florida. Pretty soon, all
the states will get it into their heads that they can enhance revenue
by charging use tax on every expensive vehicle that crosses the border.
Soon, all of us will be limited to flying our airplanes around strictly
within the confines of our home states.


So; is it true or not? The AOPA article looks pretty damning. I hope
it's not true. What evidence do you have that it's not?

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/