Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Roger wrote:

See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N. is
basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause maximum
damage to it and Florida.

Did it really happen or not? Apparently it did. Has the law changed
to prevent a recurrance? Apparently it has not. Is a major aviation
event scheduled to appear in the not-too-distant-future? It certainly
is. Does this pose a danger to people who would be likely to fly in
to it? I think it does. I think warning the aviation community
of the problem is perfectly reasonable. A simple visit to Florida
could cost you many thousands of dollars. Anybody tempted to visit
that state deserves to know this.

Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes.
I think the AOPA should give some serious thought to moving SnF to a
state that's not so hostile to visiting aviation.

More importantly, I think we should fight this trend fought tooth-and-nail
while we still can. First Maine, and now Florida. Pretty soon, all
the states will get it into their heads that they can enhance revenue
by charging use tax on every expensive vehicle that crosses the border.
Soon, all of us will be limited to flying our airplanes around strictly
within the confines of our home states.


So; is it true or not? The AOPA article looks pretty damning. I hope
it's not true. What evidence do you have that it's not?

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

(Edward A. Falk) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Roger wrote:

See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N.
is basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause
maximum damage to it and Florida.

Did it really happen or not? Apparently it did.

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

Has the law changed
to prevent a recurrance? Apparently it has not.

And it doesn't appear to need any changing. You can find it on the web.
Since you appear to be claiming that the law needs changing, why don't
you quote it and tell us what aspect needs changing?

A simple visit to Florida
could cost you many thousands of dollars. Anybody tempted to visit
that state deserves to know this.

Baloney. A simple visit to Florida does not trigger use tax. Florida
would not have prevailed if that were their only basis for demanding the
tax.

Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes.

What precisely do you think the story is here? Are you claiming the
seller was not a Florida company? If so, you have information I don't
have. Please share with me who the seller was and what state they were
in. I'm claiming there is a preponderance of evidence indicating Piper, a
Florida company, delivered to a North Carolina person or legal entity a
plane that was subject to Florida sales tax. You present precisely zero
evidence - just outrage.

So; is it true or not? The AOPA article looks pretty damning.

If it is so damning, then feel free to quote the cases listed in the AOPA
article of inappropriate sales tax. You only need name one. I'll be here
all year.

What evidence do you have that it's not?

Res ipsa loquitur:

Florida has the sales tax money and the buyer gave up, even though by my
estimate the difference between NC and FL taxes for the plane was worth a
bit more than $30,000 to the purchaser.

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

The article also mentions a Cirrus; was that a Florida sale?

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

(Edward A. Falk) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

The article also mentions a Cirrus; was that a Florida sale?

Impossible to say. I can't even be sure the Meridian case is legit or not -
but I do know that important information was not provided in the A.N.N.
stories. Anyone who has run a business involving sales tax would probably
also have suspected something was missing from the story. My own first
thoughts on reading the story was - "Okay, what state was the seller in?
What state was the aircraft last owned in?" I didn't see answers to either
question mentioned.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:54:17 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

The article also mentions a Cirrus; was that a Florida sale?

When picking up the aircraft at the factory an "This will be exported
from Florida within 10 days" affadavit would have been filled out and
filed just like when picking up an aircraft in Cessna and leaving
Kansas. Just because you pick it up there doesn't neccessarily mean
the sale was in FL either, the dealer who you really buy it from is
most likely not based in Florida when doing new. But I don't know if
this was a "new" sale or a used sale whcih then proceeded to VRB for
the training.

Peter Clark writes:


When picking up the aircraft at the factory an "This will be exported
from Florida within 10 days" affadavit would have been filled out and
filed just like when picking up an aircraft in Cessna and leaving
Kansas.

Note the big boys buy their Seattle tin somewhere over the Pacific Ocean
just to avoid taxes...

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On Mar 24, 10:17*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
(Edward A. Falk) wrote:

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Roger wrote:

See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N.
is basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause
maximum damage to it and Florida.

Did it really happen or not? *Apparently it did.

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

*Has the law changed
to prevent a recurrance? *Apparently it has not.

And it doesn't appear to need any changing. You can find it on the web.
Since you appear to be claiming that the law needs changing, why don't
you quote it and tell us what aspect needs changing?

*A simple visit to Florida
could cost you many thousands of dollars. *Anybody tempted to visit
that state deserves to know this.

Baloney. A simple visit to Florida does not trigger use tax. Florida
would not have prevailed if that were their only basis for demanding the
tax.

Should this story damage Florida? *If it's true, I would say yes.

What precisely do you think the story is here? Are you claiming the
seller was not a Florida company? If so, you have information I don't
have. Please share with me who the seller was and what state they were
in. I'm claiming there is a preponderance of evidence indicating Piper, a
Florida company, delivered to a North Carolina person or legal entity a
plane that was subject to Florida sales tax. You present precisely zero
evidence - just outrage.

So; is it true or not? *The AOPA article looks pretty damning.

If it is so damning, then feel free to quote the cases listed in the AOPA
article of inappropriate sales tax. You only need name one. I'll be here
all year.

What evidence do you have that it's not?

Res ipsa loquitur:

Florida has the sales tax money and the buyer gave up, even though by my
estimate the difference between NC and FL taxes for the plane was worth a
bit more than $30,000 to the purchaser.

I fid it passing sstrange that that one case happened almost a year
ago and seemingly none since. I hardly think that Florida would have
passed up the opportunity to collect bales of taxes from out-of-state
planes if it were possible. I am sure that there have been many more
than _one_ new plane bought within 6 months that visited there.

I would be interested in a link to the claimed Maine thing also.

Harry K

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:39:06 +0000 (UTC), (Edward A. Falk)
wrote:

Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes.
I think the AOPA should give some serious thought to moving SnF to a
state that's not so hostile to visiting aviation.

AOPA? What does AOPA have to do with SnF?

And if you meant to say "EAA," well, EAA has nothing to do with it, either.

Ron Wanttaja

On 2008-03-25, Edward A. Falk wrote:
Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes.

All I know is that N55ZC will not be visiting Florida until after I've paid
Minnesota's 6.5% use tax on the purchase. (That's nearly $10K, ouch!)

I think the AOPA should give some serious thought to moving SnF to a
state that's not so hostile to visiting aviation.

As others have noted, that's an EAA event. I don't know how much control EAA
has over it, but I do know the event has EAA's sanction, at least.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

Sun-N-Fun Fly-In is a nonprofit corporation separate from EAA and
separate from Airventure...
It started as a local EAA chapter throwing a dawn patrol/fly-in, but
it began to grow and make money... When the EAA began demanding to
feed at the trough, the people doing the work in Florida did not see
any reason to just hand the money over...
For those who think of it as just the winter version of the EAA
airshow, go look at the SUN-N-FUN FLY-IN website... No where is the
EAA Logo shown... The only concession to the EAA is if you are a
member of the Florida Air Museum or the EAA, you will get a price
break on your admission fee... in small print and no EAA logo

Whereas, go to the Airventure site and the EAA logo is part of the
copyrighted banner "EAA" AIRVENTURE... So you know which fat hogs are
feeding at the trough...

I don't go to either show, much anymore... At Oshkosh the stench of
greed takes most of the fun out of it... Sun-N-Fun simply has gotten
too big and too commercial, just like AIrventure... I'm looking for a
fly-in with more of the old time fun factor...
Suggestions will be entertained... I do a mean soft shoe routine

denny