Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

"Jay Maynard" wrote

There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one
right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it.

Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's
inquiry?

They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada.

No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks.
--
Jim in NC

On 2008-04-02, Morgans wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote
There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one
right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it.
Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's
inquiry?
They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada.
No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks.

So they claim, at least. I'm not sure I trust them. Would you trust the IRS
if they made a similar statement? EAA has all the reason in the world not to
publicize things that would hurt Sun n Fun, yet they publicized this one.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
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On Apr 2, 5:53*pm, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-04-02, Morgans wrote:

"Jay Maynard" wrote
There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one
right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it.
*Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's
inquiry?
They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. *None. *Zip. *Nada.
No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. *No Ramp Checks.

So they claim, at least. I'm not sure I trust them. Would you trust the IRS
if they made a similar statement? EAA has all the reason in the world not to
publicize things that would hurt Sun n Fun, yet they publicized this one.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
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There is a pretty simple solution if you are this worried ,stay
home!!! Not one word of this was murmured at the LSA Expo in January.
The main pot stirrer in this episode has a problem with SnF and not
the Sebring show at least so far.

Frank M.Hitlaw at my Swecret World Hq

On 2008-04-03, wrote:
There is a pretty simple solution if you are this worried ,stay
home!!! Not one word of this was murmured at the LSA Expo in January.
The main pot stirrer in this episode has a problem with SnF and not
the Sebring show at least so far.

There are at least two "main pot stirrers", and Phil Boyer doesn't have a
problem with Sun n Fun, AFAIK.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:53:29 GMT, Jay Maynard
wrote:

On 2008-04-02, Morgans wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote
There's gotta be fire under the smoke; EAA wouldn't be publishing this one
right before Sun n Fun if there weren't some basis for it.
Did you not see what the Florida guberment put out, in response to AOPA's
inquiry?
They WILL NOT have a presence at Sun and Fun. None. Zip. Nada.
No trying to catch anyone with an untaxed plane. No Ramp Checks.

So they claim, at least. I'm not sure I trust them. Would you trust the IRS
if they made a similar statement? EAA has all the reason in the world not to
publicize things that would hurt Sun n Fun, yet they publicized this one.

I've been generally staying out of this one, but I've got a few comments here.

1. Yes, if a government agency (even the IRS) put out a press release saying
"We won't do 'X' next month," (where 'X' is a very specific action), I believe
they won't. The mainstream media gets REAL excited when they catch government
reps in a bald-faced lie, and doing so is considered a CLM among government
press agents. Dodge, equivocate, yes, but saying "We won't do 'X' next month"
is pretty definitive.

2. I further believe the Florida tax folks in this case, as tourism is a major
Florida industry. I don't think the state and local governments would stand for
it if the tax department decided to disrupt a major event that brings hundreds
of thousands of well-heeled individuals to the state every year.

3. EAA and AOPA's messages are a reaction is due to their *member's* concerns,
not an indicator as to how serious the threat to Sun-N-Fun really was. If the
subject is at least *possible*, they're going to respond to it if enough of
their members ask. And as AvWeb has pointed out, Florida is not the first state
to institute this sort of policy.

Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March
for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them
probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida
tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the
opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent.

Ron Wanttaja

In article , Ron Wanttaja says...
Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March
for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them
probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida
tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the
opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent.

What tax lien was that?? It's true that when ever he critizes a company or some
agency he's got a dog in the fight. He's never gone after anyone unless they've
crossed him then he uses the power of the press.Thank God for the Internet.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[Follow-up changed to RAH only]

On 3 Apr 2008 05:18:45 -0700, ChuckSlusarczyk
wrote:

In article , Ron Wanttaja says...
Jim Campbell...also just got nailed by the Florida
tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days.

What tax lien was that??

Failure to pay unemployment tax, from 1996. It's hard to read, but it looks
like the amount is a big $196:

(Clicking the link often just puts you into the entry page for the Search
engine. Either cut-and-paste the link, or enter "Airedale" as a search term.)

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/d...doc_s tatus=V

Seems to me that Florida would have forgotten that one long ago, but in January
of this year, a notice was filed indicating that the lien had finally been
settled:

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/d...doc _status=V

I think the odds are very thin that Zoom had just come across the old bill and
said, "Gee, guess I'd better pay this off." He undoubtedly got dunned by the
Florida Department of Revenue.

His bankruptcy case was finally closed by the court two years ago. Zoom ended
up paying about 2/3rds of the amount he'd agreed on to settle the trustee's
fraud/perjury lawsuit, but IIRC, the agreement required that *all* back taxes
had to be paid. Suspect this one had been left over.

Ron Wanttaja

On 2008-04-03, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
3. EAA and AOPA's messages are a reaction is due to their *member's* concerns,
not an indicator as to how serious the threat to Sun-N-Fun really was. If the
subject is at least *possible*, they're going to respond to it if enough of
their members ask. And as AvWeb has pointed out, Florida is not the first state
to institute this sort of policy.

Indeed. OTOH, both organizations are going to try to debunk it before
publishing. They didn't, or else they'd have said so.

Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March
for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them
probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida
tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the
opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent.

Undoubtedly. That doesn't make it automatically wrong, as several folks here
suggest.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

In article , Jay Maynard says...
Jim Campbell has been printing or posting an annual anti-SnF rant every March
for over ten years now, and having just lost his second lawsuit against them
probably hasn't improved his attitude. He also just got nailed by the Florida
tax folks for a tax lien dating back to the US Aviator days. I suspect the
opportunity to slam both SnF and the Florida tax folks was heaven-sent.

Undoubtedly. That doesn't make it automatically wrong, as several folks here
suggest.

Nobody is saying he's automatically wrong what we're saying is that many times
what zoom says is suspect as to details ,motive and spin. He will never hesitate
to use the power of the press to promote his agenda. There is a kernel of truth
in this story which could have stood on it's own as it did months ago.

Now as he usually does he prints the story with enough facts to seem
truthful,adds spin to obfuscate the facts ,confuse the details and then promote
his anti Sun n Fun agenda.

So far I've seen "one" case detailing a problem ,hardly an epidemic, some
confusion from a couple of alphabet orgs, a clarification from the President of
Sun n Fun who has more at stake then any of the aforementioned orgs ,stating the
SnF will not be targeted by the tax guys.
When it comes to credibility zoom is as truthful as a politician.

I'm going to be there with a booth and I bet no one will be cited for taxes
..Wanna bet? :-)

Chuck S

On 2008-04-03, ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
Nobody is saying he's automatically wrong what we're saying is that many
times what zoom says is suspect as to details ,motive and spin. He will
never hesitate to use the power of the press to promote his agenda. There
is a kernel of truth in this story which could have stood on it's own as
it did months ago.

None of this matters in the slightest. It's not Zoom's story any more, if
indeed it ever was.

Now as he usually does he prints the story with enough facts to seem
truthful,adds spin to obfuscate the facts ,confuse the details and then
promote his anti Sun n Fun agenda.

I don't care. I'm not getting my information from Zoom, and all of this
anti-Zoom argumentation has exactly zero to do with the story.

So far I've seen "one" case detailing a problem ,hardly an epidemic, some
confusion from a couple of alphabet orgs, a clarification from the President of
Sun n Fun who has more at stake then any of the aforementioned orgs ,stating the
SnF will not be targeted by the tax guys.
When it comes to credibility zoom is as truthful as a politician.

Yet you seem to believe the Florida tax people, even though they're as bad
as politicians.

I'm going to be there with a booth and I bet no one will be cited for
.taxes Wanna bet? :-)

I'd love to be there and see for myself, but I'm going to be working, darn
it. In any event, I'm not the one running the risk. If you think the risk is
acceptable, then go, have fun, and make money, with my blessings (not like
you need them, but still...).

My roommate's dad is going to SnF. I may well go there myself next year,
with airplane. (By then, I'll have paid Minnesota's use tax, which is higher
than what Florida charges, so I'll be immune even if this does prove to be
real.) I understand it's a great time. I hope Florida does come to its
senses and casts into law and regulation that they will only attempt to
collect tax from Florida residents. Until that time, considering the risk
that they will try to collect tax from nonresidents with shiny new airplanes
is merely prudent.
--
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