The ethanol nightmare has arrived!

On Apr 8, 8:22 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
In essence, with the 5.1 cent per gallon tax break, the US federal
government has just killed the Aviation autogas concept.

Thanks for the head's up. We've used over 9,000 gallons of mogas in our
Lycoming O-540, without a burp, at a savings of well over $10K. Obviously
this change will be catastrophic if it is, indeed, nationwide.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The Conti E-185 in the '47 V tail Bonanza is STCed for mogas, but the
biggest problem is getting it to the airplane.

Jay -- what changes do you see in leaning, startup, etc with mogas v.
100ll?


Dan Mc

Jay -- what changes do you see in leaning, startup, etc with mogas v.
100ll?

The only changes we've seen a

- The oil doesn't turn black
- The plugs don't foul with little BBs of lead
- There is an extra $10,000 in the bank

Anyone who's got the mogas STC and is choosing not to use it is needlessly
burning Ben Franklins at a breath-taking rate.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Apr 8, 9:13*am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Jay -- what changes do you see in leaning, startup, etc with mogas v.
100ll?

The only changes we've seen a

- The oil doesn't turn black
- The plugs don't foul with little BBs of lead
- There is an extra $10,000 in the bank

Anyone who's got the mogas STC and is choosing not to use it is needlessly
burning Ben Franklins at a breath-taking rate.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

But burning Ben Franklins at a breath-taking rate is normal operation
for aviation. Hence the AMU to lessen the shock.

I'm only kidding of course and if you can burn mogas that's great. I'm
in Florida and our gas pumps are also sprouting the "Ethanol less than
10%" stickers. I heard a blurb on NPR the other day that it's mandated
by the feds for the summer to lessen polution. I think, if I recall
correctly that that's how it started in California as well. The point
of the news blurb was that ethanol prices are spiking causing gas
prices to rise. Also, since they're using corn, tortillas and Fritos
will rise as well.

I'm really thinking that diesel is where piston aviation is going to
survive at all and that will be a significant blow due to the costs of
upgrading existing planes. Most won't bother, I think.

Jay, if your only alternative to keep flying was to drop, say, $40K
into a diesel conversion for Atlas, would you?

I don't own (yet) so I'll have to deal with the rental fleet.

John

Take a look at last week's Time magazine cover article on the great myth of
ethanol. It turns out that the list of 'unintended consequences' is quite
long and the net effect of increased ethanol usage is far more damaging to
the environment than the use of oil-based fuels. (This does not address the
damage to engines, the decreased performance (which means more fuel burned),
impact on other commodities, etc etc).

But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that ethanol
is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various politicians who
are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.
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On Apr 8, 9:13 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Jay -- what changes do you see in leaning, startup, etc with mogas v.
100ll?

The only changes we've seen a

- The oil doesn't turn black
- The plugs don't foul with little BBs of lead
- There is an extra $10,000 in the bank

Anyone who's got the mogas STC and is choosing not to use it is needlessly
burning Ben Franklins at a breath-taking rate.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

But burning Ben Franklins at a breath-taking rate is normal operation
for aviation. Hence the AMU to lessen the shock.

I'm only kidding of course and if you can burn mogas that's great. I'm
in Florida and our gas pumps are also sprouting the "Ethanol less than
10%" stickers. I heard a blurb on NPR the other day that it's mandated
by the feds for the summer to lessen polution. I think, if I recall
correctly that that's how it started in California as well. The point
of the news blurb was that ethanol prices are spiking causing gas
prices to rise. Also, since they're using corn, tortillas and Fritos
will rise as well.

I'm really thinking that diesel is where piston aviation is going to
survive at all and that will be a significant blow due to the costs of
upgrading existing planes. Most won't bother, I think.

Jay, if your only alternative to keep flying was to drop, say, $40K
into a diesel conversion for Atlas, would you?

I don't own (yet) so I'll have to deal with the rental fleet.

John

"pgbnh" wrote in message
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Take a look at last week's Time magazine cover article on the great myth
of ethanol. It turns out that the list of 'unintended consequences' is
quite long and the net effect of increased ethanol usage is far more
damaging to the environment than the use of oil-based fuels. (This does
not address the damage to engines, the decreased performance (which means
more fuel burned), impact on other commodities, etc etc).

But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

If it were not such a dissaster for the country, and all of us in it, all of
that would really be quite amusing. ADM, et al, have gotten the
environmentalists signed onto yet another scheme that does little more than
pick our pockets and polute everything in sight--it's MTBE back and bigger
than ever.

Peter

But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up
everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos --
we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!)

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants,
built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just
another gummint scam.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22...
But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up
everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos --
we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro
Chicago!)

That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a great
opportunity to expand my "territory" !

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants,
built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's
just another gummint scam.

They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will spend
more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants.

--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC
Cheyenne, WY

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22...
But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants
pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster
is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population
than Metro Chicago!)

That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a
great opportunity to expand my "territory" !

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these
plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble
bursts. It's just another gummint scam.

They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will
spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants.


Wow, the sum of your's and Jay's IQ's combined are somehow less than
they are independantly. Amazing. How do you do that?

Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22:

But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop
up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is
casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population
than Metro Chicago!)

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these
plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble
bursts. It's just another gummint scam.


You are an idiot.


Bertie

On Apr 8, 9:59*am, "pgbnh" wrote:
Take a look at last week's Time magazine cover article on the great myth of
ethanol. It turns out that the list of 'unintended consequences' is quite
long and the net effect of increased ethanol usage is far more damaging to
the environment than the use of oil-based fuels. (This does not address the
damage to engines, the decreased performance (which means more fuel burned),
impact on other commodities, etc etc).

In the words of Castro "Now those damn Americans are putting our food
in their cars".

-robert