How much longer?

Jay Honeck schrieb:
I'm curious how they are getting 110 volts for your outlets. I thought that
was unattainable with current (sorry!) technology.

*hihi*

230V is doable. without problems. *doohhhh*

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
(Alan) wrote in
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In article Bertie the
Bunyip writes:
"Mike Isaksen" wrote in
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"Alan" wrote ...
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
I will fly as long as there is air. Gasoline be damned.
I started without it and I'll finish withour if needs be.

You say you started without - how?
Even gliders seem to need tows.

Maybe he'll build an electric motor rope launch skid powered by
wind turbines.



Could do. There's lots of ways you can winch launch. The current
world record distance flight was launched off the back of a car.
Probably a thirty second tow, if that.

I doubt that this was an electric car charged from solar or wind
power,
was it? I'll bet it burned gasoline (or perhaps diesel fuel).

Point is, there's a million ways to skin a cat. If neceesity
dictated, a way would be found.

And your answer is?

Unless you have a better answer, I suggest folks start building
nuclear
power plants, and looking hard at extracting carbon from the
atmosphere to combine with hydrogen from water to produce various
petroleum fuels. We are not prepared to deal with hydrogen -- I can
just imagine the news stories about the result of accidents at
hydrogen fueling stations.


BTW, hydrogen is no real problem in regards to that. It can be used
safely in surface transport and fuelled safely as well. The real
problem with it is making it.

Making hydrogen is not a problem if you don't care about the cost.

The cost is getting pretty close to that of gasoline as it is, but
that's from hydrogen made from petroleum products, of course.

The engineering problem for wide spread use is hydrogen embrittlement.



What, from burning it in your engine or from manufacture?

From containing it.

Essentially the same problem as ethenol; existing plumbing won't
handle hydrogen, so if you want to distribute the stuff in anything
other than liquid hydrogen trucks, you need all new pipes designed
to carry hydrogen.

--
Jim Pennino

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Jay Honeck wrote:
I will admit it is a bit out of the ordinary but I brought it up to show
a little of what is possible.

I think it's great (we, too, have a manual hangar door), and wish more
places would do this.

I'm curious how they are getting 110 volts for your outlets. I thought that
was unattainable with current (sorry!) technology.

From what, solar cells?

A big ass inverter.

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Jim Pennino

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On Apr 9, 12:35 pm, wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



(Alan) wrote in
:
In article Bertie the
Bunyip writes:
"Mike Isaksen" wrote in
news:KRwKj.1375$XC1.1247 @trndny08:

"Alan" wrote ...
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
I will fly as long as there is air. Gasoline be damned.
I started without it and I'll finish withour if needs be.

You say you started without - how?
Even gliders seem to need tows.

Maybe he'll build an electric motor rope launch skid powered by wind
turbines.

Could do. There's lots of ways you can winch launch. The current world
record distance flight was launched off the back of a car. Probably a
thirty second tow, if that.

I doubt that this was an electric car charged from solar or wind
power,
was it? I'll bet it burned gasoline (or perhaps diesel fuel).

Point is, there's a million ways to skin a cat. If neceesity dictated,
a way would be found.

And your answer is?

Unless you have a better answer, I suggest folks start building
nuclear
power plants, and looking hard at extracting carbon from the
atmosphere to combine with hydrogen from water to produce various
petroleum fuels. We are not prepared to deal with hydrogen -- I can
just imagine the news stories about the result of accidents at
hydrogen fueling stations.

BTW, hydrogen is no real problem in regards to that. It can be used
safely in surface transport and fuelled safely as well. The real problem
with it is making it.

Making hydrogen is not a problem if you don't care about the cost.

The engineering problem for wide spread use is hydrogen embrittlement.

--
Jim Pennino

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For instance?

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:

Diesel from algae has the potential for 10000 usg/acre used (and is
more of an industrial than agricultural process). So far it's not been
developed because oil has been so cheap.



Really? Haven't heard anything at all of this process.. I'll have to
have a look around unless you can shortcut me to somewhere ...


http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

On 2008-04-09, Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Maynard schrieb:
Alternatives are impractical until there's a complete, comprehensive
distribution infrastructure in place. That'll take 20 years. There's also a
significant chicken-and-egg problem.
OK. So when will you start switching? In 19 years, 11 months and 30 days?

When the infrastructure is there to meet my mission requirements. Not
before.
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Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

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From containing it.

Essentially the same problem as ethenol; existing plumbing won't
handle hydrogen, so if you want to distribute the stuff in anything
other than liquid hydrogen trucks, you need all new pipes designed
to carry hydrogen.


Ah, OK.


Bertie

Jay Maynard wrote in
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On 2008-04-09, Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Maynard schrieb:
Alternatives are impractical until there's a complete, comprehensive
distribution infrastructure in place. That'll take 20 years. There's
also a significant chicken-and-egg problem.
OK. So when will you start switching? In 19 years, 11 months and 30
days?

When the infrastructure is there to meet my mission requirements. Not
before.

You have mission requirements to dress up like Tron?

bertie

"Dan Luke" wrote in
news

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:

Diesel from algae has the potential for 10000 usg/acre used (and is
more of an industrial than agricultural process). So far it's not
been
developed because oil has been so cheap.



Really? Haven't heard anything at all of this process.. I'll have to
have a look around unless you can shortcut me to somewhere ...


http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html



Hmm, very good. A bit tainted by his hydrogen info, though, which is a
bit off in spots.


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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If I were "King for a day", I would decree the following "4 Steps to
American Energy Independence":

1. New refineries are not being built because draconian environmental
rules prevent them from being constructed. As of now, all environmental
restrictions on oil refinery construction are lifted.

2. New oil is not being pumped because draconian environmental rules
prevent new oil fields from being developed. As of now all environmental
restrictions on development of known oil reserves are lifted.

3. New nuclear power plants are not being built because draconian
environmental rules prevent their construction. As of now all
environmental restrictions on construction of new nuclear plants are
lifted.

4. By decree, hydrogen fuel is now the way of the future -- period. From
this point on, by my decree, the scientific and industrial capacity of the
United States will be used to perfect a hydrogen distribution system to
replace our current gasoline distribution system, and all cars will be
powered by hydrogen. Source: http://tinyurl.com/6hklhf

These four steps will, in a matter of a decade, resolve 90% of our
problems. Unfortunately, it will take another Great Depression to shake
our system enough to force a repeal of the environmental restrictions that
make resolving our energy problems impossible.

and in a later post

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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-- but it's completely hog-tied us now that we really ARE in an energy
bind.

Which, of course, anyone who knows the "Law of Unintended Consequences"
predicted long ago.

Since we all hope that you would not offer unconsidered or overly simple
solutions to complex problems, I am sure you have considered the possible
'unintended consequences' of your proposals. In the event that your
proposals were actually serious and not meant as a joke, I would ask you to
comment on their likely result.

Happy landings,