How much longer?

On 2008-04-10, Jay Maynard wrote:
If you couldn't smell the outer marker when approaching Galveston then
you've no sense of smell or were remarkably unobservant. In League City
where I lived, when the wind was out of the north the smell of
petrochemicals was very noticable, and nearly everyone commented about
the smelly air.

I, too, lived in League City (in fact, I was a volunteer paramedic there for
over a decade), and nobody commented on it in my presence.

Really? We even had a term for it - we called it "the smell of money"
whenever the wind blew from the north. Your sense of smell must be
remarkably poor.

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From the sunny Isle of Man.
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Dylan Smith wrote:
On 2008-04-08, Jay Maynard wrote:
Alternatives are impractical until there's a complete, comprehensive
distribution infrastructure in place. That'll take 20 years. There's also a
significant chicken-and-egg problem.

Diesel from algae has the potential for 10000 usg/acre used (and is more
of an industrial than agricultural process). So far it's not been
developed because oil has been so cheap.

Sure we can. The only problem is that if say Chevron said they were
going to build a plant to do just that there would be a "Save the Algae"
protest scheduled the the next day and the environmental impact study
would take 20 years.

Dylan Smith wrote in
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On 2008-04-10, Peter Dohm wrote:
Why is your argument precisely the reverse of every accepted tenet of
urban planning and development and the ripple effect of any
additional skilled and professional jobs?

It isn't. Jay's solution is to build a refinery in the middle of
nowhere, which by definition has no people yet. So you're going to
have to bootstrap the process *somehow*.



Use jay's solution to everything else. Mexican slaves



Bertie

Dylan Smith wrote in
:

On 2008-04-10, Jay Maynard wrote:
If you couldn't smell the outer marker when approaching Galveston
then you've no sense of smell or were remarkably unobservant. In
League City where I lived, when the wind was out of the north the
smell of petrochemicals was very noticable, and nearly everyone
commented about the smelly air.

I, too, lived in League City (in fact, I was a volunteer paramedic
there for over a decade), and nobody commented on it in my presence.

Really? We even had a term for it - we called it "the smell of money"
whenever the wind blew from the north. Your sense of smell must be
remarkably poor.


Maybe it was a virtual league city, existing solely in a computer....


Bertie

On Apr 10, 11:48*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote :

On 2008-04-10, Jay Maynard wrote:
If you couldn't smell the outer marker when approaching Galveston
then you've no sense of smell or were remarkably unobservant. In
League City where I lived, when the wind was out of the north the
smell of petrochemicals was very noticable, and nearly everyone
commented about the smelly air.

I, too, lived in League City (in fact, I was a volunteer paramedic
there for over a decade), and nobody commented on it in my presence.

Really? We even had a term for it - we called it "the smell of money"
whenever the wind blew from the north. Your sense of smell must be
remarkably poor.

Maybe it was a virtual league city, existing solely in a computer....


Jay loves the smell of refineries in the morning. Smells like
victory!!

Phil

Jay Honeck wrote:

I, for one, am not willing to see my kids grow up in a world that has
been reduced to economic squalor simply to benefit a "green agenda".

That's a tenable argument, but, the antebellum south said the same thing
about slavery. If we don't have slaves, how we gonna pick cotton? If
we don't have cotton, how we gonna afford the plantation?

Even before Eastwood cheapened the expression with that stupid-ass
movie, the Marines had a simple philosophy: Adapt and overcome.

Right now we are dependent upon terrorist oil and if we tap the Alaska
oil, it'll be eight years before it gets to market. Eight years ago, we
could have tapped Alaska, OR we could have spent the trillion dollars
we're blowing giving a damn what people do in Allah-land researching and
developing alternative energy with the tenacity that we developed the
atomic bomb and the moon lander.

Sadly, we did neither. We blew our money on stocks and let our energy
and telecom conglomerate executives annihilate our economy.

What troubles me more about RIGHT NOW is that western oil dependency is
more critical than ever; our economy is suffering and it's not just
America, but everywhere. The Osama types live in caves and mud huts.
They don't need oil, but, more importantly, they get it cheap. RIGHT
NOW would be their prime opportunity to attack an oil field or a
refinery or whatever it takes to give the oil barons further excuse to
jack up oil costs (/profits) and for maximum economic impact.

Right now, more than ever, we should be stomping the **** out of the
actual ANTI-WESTERN TERRORISTS and investing hell-for-leather in
releasing what Bush rightfully called our dependence on foreign oil.

The problem is, we all squandered too much time and money in the last
decade to solve our problems, and so here we are. (I get sick of
Republicrats and liberal/conservative propagandists pointing the finger
at each other. We're all responsible. We have to do what we have to
do, green agenda or not. What we have to do is get away from oil or
we're better off going back to horses, coal and steam.)

No sacrifice that I will make in my lifetime will equal the sacrifice my
brother's comrade made in the Anbar province when an IED blew half his
face off. The IED wasn't put there by Al Queda, just a local
warlord/mayor who didn't want his porn/drugs/movie/guns smuggling racket
broken up.

The dark side of me says, let Afghanistan grow poppy like there's no
tomorrow, and get Iran, Iraq, China and North Korea strung out on heroin
like they've got us strung out on oil and cheap lead-laden imports. (and
then kill anybody who tries to smuggle it into the western hemisphere)

Meanwhile, our idealogical enemies would love to sell us a new Cessna
Skycatcher or a fake Rolex. I hear they're cheap.

-c

Nomen Nescio wrote:

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed121507b.cfm

You might appreciate this speech, given at the Heritage Foundation,
entitled "How Modern Liberals Think".

I wouldn't trust Michael Moore telling me how gun owners think, or an
anti-GA group telling me how pilots think, so why would I waste 50
minutes of my life listening to some propagandist telling me how half of
America thinks?

First I heard, "Barack Hussein Osama" was a sleeper Muslim waiting to
convert us all to Islam. Then I heard he was a sleeper racist lurking
at a racist Christian church for the last 20 years. "Skerry Kerry" sat
next to Fonda, Bush was going to reinstate the draft in 2004/2005/2006,
McCain was a coward, Huckabee is a fundamentalist, blahblahblah.

We all learned along time ago not to believe everything you see on
TV/hear on the radio/read on the internet. Same as it ever was...

-c

Phil J wrote in
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On Apr 10, 11:48*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dylan Smith wrote
innews:slrnfvs3qo.5vi.dylan@ve
xed3.alioth.net:

On 2008-04-10, Jay Maynard wrote:
If you couldn't smell the outer marker when approaching Galveston
then you've no sense of smell or were remarkably unobservant. In
League City where I lived, when the wind was out of the north the
smell of petrochemicals was very noticable, and nearly everyone
commented about the smelly air.

I, too, lived in League City (in fact, I was a volunteer paramedic
there for over a decade), and nobody commented on it in my
presence.

Really? We even had a term for it - we called it "the smell of
money" whenever the wind blew from the north. Your sense of smell
must be remarkably poor.

Maybe it was a virtual league city, existing solely in a computer....


Jay loves the smell of refineries in the morning. Smells like
victory!!


I used to have to drive past one daily. Ech! Smells like ****.

Bertie

F. Baum wrote:

Jay, Ill try to get things a little more on topic. The airport where I
keep one of my airplanes is run almost entirely on Solar power (There
is a small diesel engine for the well)

This is a brilliant example of the right idea. Germany has turned
solar-cell development into a national project similar to the way they
built metal-skin monowing fighter--I mean, uh, "race"--aircraft when
everbody else was still putzing around in bi-planes.

The multi-wavelength cells are taking solar energy out of the '70s and
back-shelf Radio Shack hobby kits where the rest of the world abandoned
it and turning it into something.

Maybe we'll never get the internal combustion engine out of the general
aviation aircraft or the tractor-trailer, but if we get Guam to stop
burning diesel 24/7 for power (for example) and we find alternative ways
to fuel -other- things where we can, we'll lessen the burden on that
which truly requires oil.

Maybe that will be enough to get us by until we develop a better way to
push a piston. In the meantime, a whole economy can and will be built
around alternative energy including solar, hydrogen, lithium ion, corn,
beets, sugar, uranium, offshore wave energy, etc. It will take a
generation of people willing to think out of the box the way the Wright
Brothers did before we're free again.

-c

A bigger reason that new oil refineries aren't being built, as well as
nuclear waste facilities, is that no one wants one near his playground.
Everyone wants a new refinery in someone else's backyard.

Yep. A case in point was San Jose when the new Cisco plant went in.
Sure it caused brownouts, but when it came time for a new power plant,
the Cisco people in city planning argued that a power plant in their
backyard would ruin the view for the workers at the factory.

As a result of that and the Enron shenanigans, electricity rates in
Oregon went through the roof. And, by the way, haven't come down since.

Nevada keeps talking about burying the entire world's nuclear waste in
the Nevada test site where nothing lives and nobody goes, but California
NIMBYs don't want a nuke railroad running through their state.

-c