PC flight simulators

ArtKramr wrote in message ...

If all you ever know about entering a pattern you learn from MSFS, you are in
deep troub;le.
If the only IFR you ever learn is from MSFS you are in deep trouble.
If youi have no air time but thousands of hours on MSFS, you still can't fly a
damn thing except FS.

This is also the case with any simulation, PC-based or one of those big moving
things (can we come up with a shorter name for those damned things? Can't keep
calling 'em "big moving expensive simulator things", eh?).

I'm perfectly aware that there's no substitute for real flying with a qualified
flight instructor - I look forward to the day I can afford to try for my PPL.

It also shows that reality is slipping away from many on this NG. Or maybe
it was never there.

I'm a relative newbie here (lurking for a few months prior to my first post)
and already I share your viewpoint ;o)

But your post takes a more balanced view without a flame in sight.Thank you
for that..

No worries; courtesy is free, as are good manners. I like talking to people
like I'd like them to talk to me.

I know this isn't really going to change anyone's views on MS Flight Sim...

But take a look at this guy :-

http://www.geocities.com/cap17.geo/Tony_Leaver.html

He's built up a cockpit from a real F4 Phantom and has connected most of the
switch inputs, the yoke, and the rudder pedals to an interface card in his
PC, which runs FS2002.

Looks fun, and it seems to be an interesting project to build ;o)

Cheers
Graeme

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Anonymous"
Date: 11/18/03 9:54 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


ArtKramr wrote in message ...

If all you ever know about entering a pattern you learn from MSFS, you are
in
deep troub;le.
If the only IFR you ever learn is from MSFS you are in deep trouble.
If youi have no air time but thousands of hours on MSFS, you still can't fly
a
damn thing except FS.

This is also the case with any simulation, PC-based or one of those big
moving
things (can we come up with a shorter name for those damned things? Can't
keep
calling 'em "big moving expensive simulator things", eh?).

I'm perfectly aware that there's no substitute for real flying with a
qualified
flight instructor - I look forward to the day I can afford to try for my PPL.

It also shows that reality is slipping away from many on this NG. Or maybe
it was never there.

I'm a relative newbie here (lurking for a few months prior to my first post)
and already I share your viewpoint ;o)

But your post takes a more balanced view without a flame in sight.Thank you
for that..

No worries; courtesy is free, as are good manners. I like talking to people
like I'd like them to talk to me.

I know this isn't really going to change anyone's views on MS Flight Sim...

But take a look at this guy :-

http://www.geocities.com/cap17.geo/Tony_Leaver.html

He's built up a cockpit from a real F4 Phantom and has connected most of the
switch inputs, the yoke, and the rudder pedals to an interface card in his
PC, which runs FS2002.

Looks fun, and it seems to be an interesting project to build ;o)

Cheers
Graeme




During WW II we had a simulator at Lake Charles. It was a real B-26 Martin
Marauder truncated and mounted in a hanger. When youi climbed into it you could
smell the cordite, urine, vomit and 100 octane.You strapped yourself in and you
could smell the leather on the seats. It behaved llike a real plane in every
sense including the feel of the controls, the operation of the Norden bombsight
and the results of doing bomb runs in that simulator. Now that is a simulator.
MSFS doesn''t quite cut it.. But in those years with a war on, flying was a
serious life and death affair, especially in Marauders. . No nonsense allowed.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 18 Nov 2003 18:16:49 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

During WW II we had a simulator at Lake Charles. It was a real B-26 Martin
Marauder truncated and mounted in a hanger. When youi climbed into it you could
smell the cordite, urine, vomit and 100 octane.You strapped yourself in and you
could smell the leather on the seats. It behaved llike a real plane in every
sense including the feel of the controls, the operation of the Norden bombsight
and the results of doing bomb runs in that simulator. Now that is a simulator.
MSFS doesn''t quite cut it.. But in those years with a war on, flying was a
serious life and death affair, especially in Marauders. . No nonsense allowed.

Is there any reference to this simulator available?

How was the view system done to get the Norden training? How were the
instruments in the cockpit powered? How was force-feedback of the
control column performed?


Questions over questions by someone who thought that the first
full-motion simulator was made for the Boeing 727....





Bye
Andreas

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
During WW II we had a simulator at Lake Charles. It was a real B-26 Martin
Marauder truncated and mounted in a hanger. When youi climbed into it you
could
smell the cordite, urine, vomit and 100 octane.You strapped yourself in
and you
could smell the leather on the seats. It behaved llike a real plane in
every
sense including the feel of the controls, the operation of the Norden
bombsight
and the results of doing bomb runs in that simulator. Now that is a
simulator.

Damned, I didn't know they did full motion simulators in WWII.
It must have been, you said "it behaved like a real plane in every sense."

MSFS doesn''t quite cut it.. But in those years with a war on, flying was
a
serious life and death affair, especially in Marauders. . No nonsense
allowed.