The ethanol nightmare has arrived!

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If the astounding breakthrough occured, it would be far simpler and
cheaper
to just synthesize diesel fuel with the electricity, which isn't done
now because the cost of the energy to do it is too high.

That does not solve the carbon into the atmosphere problem, (which I
realize that everyone will not agree is a problem) unless you take the
carbon out of the atmosphere.
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Jim in NC

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:20:54 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:


If the astounding breakthrough occured, it would be far simpler and
cheaper
to just synthesize diesel fuel with the electricity, which isn't done
now because the cost of the energy to do it is too high.

That does not solve the carbon into the atmosphere problem, (which I
realize that everyone will not agree is a problem) unless you take the
carbon out of the atmosphere.


That's the idea. Or you get it from fossil fuel power plant
emissions.

I like the idea of electric cars and trucks better. For the long-haul
stuff you might have to stick with diesel longer, until there are
breakthroughs in supercapacitors and charging systems to make quick
"fill-ups" possible.
--
Dan
T182T at 4R4

Dan Luke wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:20:54 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:


If the astounding breakthrough occured, it would be far simpler and
cheaper
to just synthesize diesel fuel with the electricity, which isn't done
now because the cost of the energy to do it is too high.

That does not solve the carbon into the atmosphere problem, (which I
realize that everyone will not agree is a problem) unless you take the
carbon out of the atmosphere.


That's the idea. Or you get it from fossil fuel power plant
emissions.

I like the idea of electric cars and trucks better. For the long-haul
stuff you might have to stick with diesel longer, until there are
breakthroughs in supercapacitors and charging systems to make quick
"fill-ups" possible.

Never going to happen.

Batteries, maybe, capacitors, never; basic physics.

--
Jim Pennino

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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:05:03 GMT, wrote:

I like the idea of electric cars and trucks better. For the long-haul
stuff you might have to stick with diesel longer, until there are
breakthroughs in supercapacitors and charging systems to make quick
"fill-ups" possible.

Never going to happen.

Batteries, maybe, capacitors, never; basic physics.

Eh?

Why not?

Dan Luke wrote:
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:05:03 GMT, wrote:

I like the idea of electric cars and trucks better. For the long-haul
stuff you might have to stick with diesel longer, until there are
breakthroughs in supercapacitors and charging systems to make quick
"fill-ups" possible.

Never going to happen.

Batteries, maybe, capacitors, never; basic physics.

Eh?

Why not?

The short answer is the materials making up the capacitor start coming
apart when the internal field gets to a certain point for the energy
density and the relationship between current, voltage, and capacitance
for the charger.

Battery techonology improvements hold better promise for small vehicle,
such as automobile, use.

The bottom line is electricity doesn't store well, so carrying it with
you is problematic.

If electricity were free, the best use of it with existing technology
is to use it to manufacture chemical fuels, which would **** off the
green house gas faction, but real life is far from perfect.

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Jim Pennino

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