FAR 91.113d Question.

On Apr 13, 4:59*am, Peter Clark
wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT), SD
wrote:





Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

Who has better manuverability? *Better manuverability has to give way.- Hide quoted text -


Nope, you think a glider has less manuverability than an airship?

Cheers

On Apr 13, 7:37 am, WingFlaps wrote:

Nope, you think a glider has less manuverability than an airship?

I wanna see an airship doing aeros......
How would you pull a stall turn :-)

Don't **** off the Romulans - they don't have any bathrooms on board and are
usually really cranky after a few years of holding it. Your best bet is to
make a temporal adjustment and proceed straight ahead a few femtoseconds
before the warbird got there. Don't cut it too close though.

"SD" wrote in message
...
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

"SD" wrote in message
...

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

As a guy who flew gliders exclusively for his first few years in the cockpit,
I learned to totally disregard FAR 91.113d in most situations. (cue collective
gasp from newsgroup readers.)

The ROW rules only work when both pilots see each other, know the rules, and
are inclined to follow them. Frankly, it is rare that we can assume that all of
those conditions are met. Therefore, 91.113d is mostly useful for assigning
blame after an accident has already occurred.

As much as possible, I always assume the other plane has the ROW, and try to
occupy a bit of airspace that is well out of his way.

Vaughn

"Vaughn Simon" wrote ...
Therefore, 91.113d is mostly useful for assigning blame after an accident
has already occurred.

As much as possible, I always assume the other plane
has the ROW, and try to occupy a bit of airspace that
is well out of his way.

I am aghast that you would use Common Sense over the Letter of the Law. You
have no place in this newsgroup! (well,... the way it's been lately anyway)
;-)

On Apr 12, 11:19*am, SD wrote:
Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

The starship's inertial dampers give her more maneuverability than
you, so technically you have the ROW. However Romulans are notorious
for ignoring the FARs, so your best bet is to steer well clear of the
warbird. Whatever you do, do not pass the warbird. The Romulans take
this as a sign of disrespect. There have been many atmosphere-rage
incidents in which aircraft have been vaporized by warbirds. So
unless your Cessna has shields that can absorb a disruptor blast, use
extreme caution.

Proconsul Phil

On Apr 13, 10:13 am, Phil J wrote:
On Apr 12, 11:19 am, SD wrote:



Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

The starship's inertial dampers give her more maneuverability than
you, so technically you have the ROW. However Romulans are notorious
for ignoring the FARs, so your best bet is to steer well clear of the
warbird. Whatever you do, do not pass the warbird. The Romulans take
this as a sign of disrespect. There have been many atmosphere-rage
incidents in which aircraft have been vaporized by warbirds. So
unless your Cessna has shields that can absorb a disruptor blast, use
extreme caution.

Proconsul Phil

Is there any kind of countermeasures or shield capabilities within a
Cessna 172 or is that reserved for the newer models equipped with the
Garmin G1000 package? Also, If by chance I happen to get hit with
their tractor beam, if I power down the cessna, will I maintain S&L ?

Thanks
SD

On Apr 13, 10:13 am, Phil J wrote:
On Apr 12, 11:19 am, SD wrote:



Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

The starship's inertial dampers give her more maneuverability than
you, so technically you have the ROW. However Romulans are notorious
for ignoring the FARs, so your best bet is to steer well clear of the
warbird. Whatever you do, do not pass the warbird. The Romulans take
this as a sign of disrespect. There have been many atmosphere-rage
incidents in which aircraft have been vaporized by warbirds. So
unless your Cessna has shields that can absorb a disruptor blast, use
extreme caution.

Proconsul Phil

Is there any kind of countermeasures or shield capabilities within a
Cessna 172 or is that reserved for the newer models equipped with the
Garmin G1000 package? Also, If by chance I happen to get hit with
their tractor beam, if I power down the cessna, will I maintain S&L ?

Thanks
SD

On Apr 13, 1:56*pm, SD wrote:
On Apr 13, 10:13 am, Phil J wrote:





On Apr 12, 11:19 am, SD wrote:

Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. *I pretty much
grasp the concept well. *Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). *For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. *Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? *Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. *I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. *Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. *There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. *Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and tend
to travel at impulse power. *I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?

The starship's inertial dampers give her more maneuverability than
you, so technically you have the ROW. *However Romulans are notorious
for ignoring the FARs, so your best bet is to steer well clear of the
warbird. *Whatever you do, do not pass the warbird. *The Romulans take
this as a sign of disrespect. *There have been many atmosphere-rage
incidents in which aircraft have been vaporized by warbirds. *So
unless your Cessna has shields that can absorb a disruptor blast, use
extreme caution.

Proconsul Phil

Is there any kind of countermeasures or shield capabilities within a
Cessna 172 or is that reserved for the newer models equipped with the
Garmin G1000 package? *Also, If by chance I happen to get hit with
their tractor beam, if I power down the cessna, will I maintain S&L ?

Thanks
SD- Hide quoted text -

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Unfortunately, none of the piston-powered Cessnas has enough spare
electrical capacity for shields. However, I believe the new impulse-
drive Citation does include shields as an option. It's a shame the
government won't allow civilian use of cloaking devices. That would
require far less power than shields, and any aircraft with at least
200 horsepower could be equipped. It's possible you could get your
hands on an illegal cloaking device from a Ferengi, but it will cost
you plenty and there would of course be absolutely no guarantee on it,
IF it even works at all.

If you do happen to get hit with a Romulan tractor beam, it will most
likely destroy your aircraft. They are non too subtle in their use of
tractor beams. And if they pull you aboard their ship, any males on
your aircraft would most likely become playthings for the female crew
members. That may sound appealing, but believe me you won't enjoy it.

Proconsul Phil

he misspelled Balloon also.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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SD wrote in news:258bf789-9611-4bf9-8d8d-
:

Hello-

I have a quick question/concern regarding FAR 91.113d. I pretty much
grasp the concept well. Basically apply the acronym BGAAR (baloons,
gliders, airships, airplanes and helo's). For example, If I am flying
my Cessna and a balloon is about 2 mi ahead of me I will alter course
to the right and give it the ROW. Likewise for any of the other items
on that list except, helo's, right?

Well in the event that I come across a vessel that is not listed in
91.113d, what do I do? Yesterday I was flying and a Rombulan Warbird
decloaked and was dead ahead of me. I tried to hail him but I had no
luck. Since he was traveling at impulse power I was able to maneuver
around him. There was no wake turbulence or anything of that sort.

Although starships are not included in 91.113d, I typically just give
them the right away. Its easy on planet earth since we are in
Federation airspace, all federation vessels are not cloaked and te
to travel at impulse power. I am concerned about the Rombulan Warbird
however.

What should I do in this case especially if I cannot hail the
Warbird?



You mis-spelled Romulan


Bertie