Should I be scared -- C172 over Gross

gliderguynj wrote:
On Apr 17, 5:53 am, tman inv@lid wrote:
I'm thinking through many of the factors, and it is only a "little" over
gross, only on the first hour or so of the trip. What else should I be
aware of? Am I dangerous?
T

There's safe, and there's legal. If you take passengers up over gross
as PIC....you've busted a rule or two. If you've posted about it here
and still do it.....


Then there's ethical...

Should you announce to the pax that the airplane is being operated
outside of the manufacturer's limits, with possible consequences explained?

I see one side of the coin where all pax are licensed pilots, the PIC
shows the W&B info to all involved, and all involved make individual
decisions to get in, or not, based on full awareness of possible
outcomes. Still not legal, but...

The other side is allowing unsuspecting and unknowing people, who
believe the PIC is fully trustworthy, to board a known out of limits
airplane.

No way, no how, am I ever going put one foot on the slippery slope of
the second case.

On Apr 17, 12:32*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
Then there's ethical...


Well said Sir. The passenger is entrusting their life in your hands.
When I take a passenger up in a glider, I understand what a huge
responsibility that is. Reminds me of the Cokehead pilot that killed
that singer Brandy? flying to the Bahamas over gross and impaired on
drugs. He might have had the same reasoning...ah just a bit over
gross, so the climb out will be sluggish....

I think this is a good thread.

Doug

"gliderguynj" wrote in message
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On Apr 17, 12:32 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
Then there's ethical...


Well said Sir. The passenger is entrusting their life in your hands.
When I take a passenger up in a glider, I understand what a huge
responsibility that is. Reminds me of the Cokehead pilot that killed
that singer Brandy? flying to the Bahamas over gross and impaired on
drugs. He might have had the same reasoning...ah just a bit over
gross, so the climb out will be sluggish....

I think this is a good thread.

Doug

If you're thinking of the same crash that I am, the aircraft was way, way,
way out of aft cg limits and would have killed them without regard to the
rest. And yes, there were more than enough other problems...

(The original question has been beaten to death as it is.)

Peter

Peter Dohm wrote:
Well said Sir. The passenger is entrusting their life in your hands.
When I take a passenger up in a glider, I understand what a huge
responsibility that is. Reminds me of the Cokehead pilot that killed
that singer Brandy? flying to the Bahamas over gross and impaired on
drugs. He might have had the same reasoning...ah just a bit over
gross, so the climb out will be sluggish....

If you're thinking of the same crash that I am, the aircraft was way, way,
way out of aft cg limits and would have killed them without regard to the
rest. And yes, there were more than enough other problems...


I used to fly in and out of that airport (Marsh Harbour, Abaco Island) several
times a year and remember the crash fairly well. The pilot's coke use wasn't a
factor although it surely didn't help. The basic problem was too much beef on
board (9 SOB on a C-402), along with a ton of other crap. The pilot tried to
talk them out of it but they pitched such a bitch he gave in. A few minutes
later they were all dead. And it was Aaliyah, not Brandy.

Ordinarily there was nothing wrong with that airport although density altitude
could always raise its ugly head. The runway was a good 5000 feet long by
either 100 or 150 feet wide and paved.



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