Job well done

On Apr 20, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.


Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the pilot
made?

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-9f74-
:

On Apr 20, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.


Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the pilot
made?


Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on ( not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The airplane
was flying agian the next day.


Bertie

On Apr 21, 2:07*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-9f74-
:







On Apr 20, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on ( not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The airplane
was flying agian the next day.


S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
:

On Apr 21, 2:07*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:







On Apr 20, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.


S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.


Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
:

On Apr 21, 2:07 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:







On Apr 20, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.


S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.


Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)



Bertie

Yeah, but you're just a liar.

On 21 Apr, 02:59, "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in 6.130...





WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
:

On Apr 21, 2:07 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:

On Apr 20, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.

S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.

Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)

Bertie

Yeah, but you're just a liar.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh ouch, maxie's back and he's chewing big lumps out of me.

Ouch again.


Bertie

On Apr 21, 3:17*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
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On Apr 21, 2:07*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:

On Apr 20, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.

S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.

Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)


For the Gulfstream III landing with any two (2) gear legs down and
locked is preferred to landing
with only one gear down or all gear up. Should only one gear be
extended, it is recommended
that the gear be retracted and an all gear up landing be performed.
Landing with only
the nose gear down and locked is specifically not recommended.

Do you know why it would be different for heavies?

Cheers

"WingFlaps" wrote in message
...
On Apr 21, 3:17 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
:





On Apr 21, 2:07 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:

On Apr 20, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.

S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.

Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)


For the Gulfstream III landing with any two (2) gear legs down and
locked is preferred to landing
with only one gear down or all gear up. Should only one gear be
extended, it is recommended
that the gear be retracted and an all gear up landing be performed.
Landing with only
the nose gear down and locked is specifically not recommended.

Do you know why it would be different for heavies?

Cheers

No, but I sure he will make something up. He has a better imagination than
MX.

On 21 Apr, 04:57, "Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote:
"WingFlaps" wrote in message

...
On Apr 21, 3:17 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
:

On Apr 21, 2:07 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:

On Apr 20, 6:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.

S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.

Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)

For the Gulfstream III landing with any two (2) gear legs down and
locked is preferred to landing
with only one gear down or all gear up. Should only one gear be
extended, it is recommended
that the gear be retracted and an all gear up landing be performed.
Landing with only
the nose gear down and locked is specifically not recommended.

Do you know why it would be different for heavies?

Cheers

No, but I sure he will make *something up. He has a better imagination than
MX.- Hide quoted text -

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Aww, not really, I can't imagine you being a pilot, for instance.

Bertie

On 21 Apr, 03:19, WingFlaps wrote:
On Apr 21, 3:17*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:





WingFlaps wrote in news:cc5e0db0-3e13-42b8-8d46-
:

On Apr 21, 2:07*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:3ba51b9f-6384-43cf-
9f74-
:

On Apr 20, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Apr 18, 5:51 pm, WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 19, 7:37 am, "tom418" wrote:

This is only an emergency because it looks good on TV. A gear
up
is
not a life threatening event.

It would have been even less of a risk and done a lot less less
damage
to the plane if he had retracted the gear and stopped the
engines
and
done a belly landing
.
Cheers

Unless he had to go-around after feathering both engines.

Why would he want to go around after short final? Are you saying
the
POH says land on on one wheel? Now apply some PIC skills. Which is
safer, a belly landing with engines off or the crash landing the
pilot
made?

Actually, a partial gear landing is considered safer. I've made on (
not
by choice, one failed on touchdown) and damage was minimal. The
airplane
was flying agian the next day.

S'funny you say that as I was reading some RAF stories from the war
and it seemed like gear up was the way to go. The touble with one
wheel down is what happens to the wing wen it catches on the ground
and starts a groundloop. It seems to me that accidental gear ups do
relativeley little damage to structure.

Well, in my case it happened at high speed and we did eventually
groundloop, bt at low speed and with little damage. The left prop got
it, but the boss did a crank check and found it OK, so it flew the next
day. Cracked drag link was the culprit. For large aircraft, even those
without underslung engines, they do recommend that we take whatever is
down. I know a few guys who have landed completely wheels up and the
damage was pretty heavy. A Beech 99, for instance ( lots of those have
been wheels up)

For the Gulfstream III landing with any two (2) gear legs down and
locked is preferred to landing
with only one gear down or all gear up. Should only one gear be
extended, it is recommended
that the gear be retracted and an all gear up landing be performed.
Landing with only
the nose gear down and locked is specifically not recommended.

Do you know why it would be different for heavies?

Cheers- Hide quoted text -

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Nah, and it might not be like that for all of them. They don't giove
us a lot of info about stuff like that these days. they only tell us
what they want us to know. What they do recommned is that we shut down
all engines when the airframe begins to contact the ground ( in the
757, anyway)


Bertie