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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
... gatt wrote: gliderguynj wrote: So to get back to the OP comments..... He ended up with a PAX and Luggage heavier than assumed, an airport higher than thought and a day 20F hotter than expected. Assuming this most recent post wasn't sarcasm at length, we also were treated to a nice description of how he almost didn't clear the trees. And this group says Well Done? Oh the Humanity! I guess I missed something. I thought he ended up being under max gross. -c I got the same impression. God knows a few of us tried to accomplish this anyway. My read was that hr ended up not making the flight with the pax??? -- Dudley Henriques That was my read as well. He still had a front seater and some of the luggage, which left him comfortably withing both weight and CG limits. The temperature on the day of the flight was higher that he had hoped when planning a week ahead and apparently still well within the acceptable range for the aircraft and airport; but, when combined with a normally rather than lightly loaded aircraft, resulted in a "bite sized" learning experience. So he got the correct reinforcement early on, which helped him to refused the known overweight flight, and made the right decisions. Peter |
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Peter Dohm wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message I got the same impression. God knows a few of us tried to accomplish this anyway. My read was that hr ended up not making the flight with the pax??? That was my read as well. He still had a front seater and some of the luggage, which left him comfortably withing both weight and CG limits. The temperature on the day of the flight was higher that he had hoped when planning a week ahead and apparently still well within the acceptable range for the aircraft and airport; but, when combined with a normally rather than lightly loaded aircraft, resulted in a "bite sized" learning experience. Given the altitude, the hot weather and the trees it goes to show how bad things could have gone if the airplane had been more overgross than expected. Pax are a dime a dozen, but, who wants to waste a perfectly-good Cessna? ; -c |
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"gatt" wrote in message
news:jrudnQw6Ec_OGpPVnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@integraonlin e... Peter Dohm wrote: "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message I got the same impression. God knows a few of us tried to accomplish this anyway. My read was that hr ended up not making the flight with the pax??? That was my read as well. He still had a front seater and some of the luggage, which left him comfortably withing both weight and CG limits. The temperature on the day of the flight was higher that he had hoped when planning a week ahead and apparently still well within the acceptable range for the aircraft and airport; but, when combined with a normally rather than lightly loaded aircraft, resulted in a "bite sized" learning experience. Given the altitude, the hot weather and the trees it goes to show how bad things could have gone if the airplane had been more overgross than expected. The point is that he ultimately rose to his responsibility, took command, and off-loaded the necessary pax and stores. Admittedly, the advice given early in the thread would have been very well advised--to fly with an instructor at near maximum weight and near the aft CG limit. However, personal belief (or supposition if you insist) about the high temperature is that he had simply trained in a lightly loaded aircraft at cooler temperatures and actually had a more than adiquate safety margin--it was simply a different sight picture and he is now a little more experienced and none the worse for wear. My own experience was nearly the opposite. I trained mainly in a Cessna 150M, the weather was nearly always warm, and we were probably below gross by about the weight of whatever trinkets (such as extra pencils) we forgot to bring. I also had some time in each of the four seats of a Cessna 172--which was also nearly always maxed out. The first time I soloed a 172, I was really amazed--it climbed like a homesick angel, was reluctant to come back down, and seemed to nearly stop before the wheels would touch the pavement on landing. OK, I exagerate; but probably no worse that the OP's takeoff. :-) Pax are a dime a dozen, but, who wants to waste a perfectly-good Cessna? ; Now, there's a good place to restart the Piper vs Cessna debate! ;-) -c Peter |
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