More flaps?

WingFlaps wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
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I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?


doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he
used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting
airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data.


Bertie

On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
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I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and
committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more
flaps?

doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he
used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting
airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data.


My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go
up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he
might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether
this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would
this be a viable option or would it make everything worse?

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in
news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1-
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I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c

I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve
and committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out
more flaps?

doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it
if he used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after
getting airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance
without more data.



My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go
up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he
might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether
this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would
this be a viable option or would it make everything worse?

Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.

Bertie

On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.

Yup
Flap was the least of his worries.
You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed.
A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going
by so close..

george wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the
first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.

Yup
Flap was the least of his worries.
You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed.
A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going
by so close..

I could be wrong as I haven't really studied the tape although I have
seen it several times, but it might very well be that he actually
rotated and sustained deep behind the curve. Lord only knows where his
aft cg was with it packed like it was.
If this was the case, he could very well have been doomed from rotation
if he was so deep that all available power was being used. If he tried
to raise the nose to gain even a foot more of altitude, this would start
a sink rate that only lowering the nose and reducing the AOA would fix.
No altitude to do that and the only outcome would have been the crash.

--
Dudley Henriques

george wrote in news:7f70e262-6325-4261-b69b-
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On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves
things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added
the
first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though.

Yup
Flap was the least of his worries.
You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed.
A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going
by so close..


Yess, I agree, though you'd think that someone doing that sort of flying
would be fairly good at things like that.. THe strip certainly looks
ling enough, but I have no idea how high up they are either. That looks
like a 182 to me, BTW.


Bertie

On Apr 26, 11:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Yess, I agree, though you'd think that someone doing that sort of flying
would be fairly good at things like that.. THe strip certainly looks
ling enough, but I have no idea how high up they are either. That looks
like a 182 to me, BTW.


Like all flying you only have to get it wrong once.
As a friend said of a rather bold pilot

Henry three gravity nil

george wrote in news:6ba8677f-ac4f-42e8-90ae-3ad79b04d721
@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

On Apr 26, 11:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


Yess, I agree, though you'd think that someone doing that sort of flying
would be fairly good at things like that.. THe strip certainly looks
ling enough, but I have no idea how high up they are either. That looks
like a 182 to me, BTW.


Like all flying you only have to get it wrong once.


True enough.

As a friend said of a rather bold pilot

Henry three gravity nil


He he.

Bertie