limit of trim = limit of travel?

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Buttman wrote in
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WingFlaps wrote:

On Apr 27, 7:03 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
I just tried a few experiments

No, that doesn't sound right.
The stall horn is supposed to sound before the stall speed is
reached.

Cheers

"supposed to", but doesn't always. I've flown planes (especially
cessnas with their crappy cereal-box-toy-quality plastic stall
horns) that don't go off at all, but will test fine on the ground.


What, you didn't stick chewing gum in them to fail them so your
students would learn what it was like when they failed?

Bertie

Oh bertie, you're such a card

Na, not really. Just a self made prick.


Moi? never. Nope. I just treat people exactly as the expect to be
treated.


Fjukktard.


Bertie

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writes:

The 182RG, the REAL airplane, has enough pitch trim to maintain
slow flight just above the stall.

I'll continue to experiment.


The trim on sims behaves nothing like it does in the real airplane
almost to the point of having a different purpose.


Bertie

Coaching your little brother a bit. How nice! Did you two kiss and
make up?


Oh ouch.

You really know how to get to me, don;t you?

Oh wait..


Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I've flown a few that couldn't even be trimmed for slow flight or
approach ( pre war stuff) The trim was apparently only considered
to be useful for cruise.

Interesting. I was flying my simulated Cessna 182 and it didn't
seem like the pitch trim fully deflected the elevators even with the
trim all the way over (that is, I could still move the yoke to get
even further deflection). It sounds like this is true to life.

Nothing about a sim is true to life. It's a toy. Different airplanes
have different authorits. i can loop my Citabira with the pitch trim.


Bertie

YEAH!!!! Sure ya can lamer.


As if your belief one way or another makes a difference.

Bertie

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I've flown a few that couldn't even be trimmed for slow flight or
approach ( pre war stuff) The trim was apparently only considered
to be useful for cruise.

Interesting. I was flying my simulated Cessna 182 and it didn't
seem like the pitch trim fully deflected the elevators even with
the
trim all the way over (that is, I could still move the yoke to get
even further deflection). It sounds like this is true to life.

Nothing about a sim is true to life. It's a toy. Different
airplanes
have different authorits. i can loop my Citabira with the pitch
trim.


Bertie

YEAH!!!! Sure ya can lamer.


As if your belief one way or another makes a difference.

Bertie


Yeah, no ****. As if yours does either wannabe.



Mine? mine doesn't matter at all...Only your performance matters...


Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I've flown a few that couldn't even be trimmed for slow flight or
approach ( pre war stuff) The trim was apparently only considered
to be useful for cruise.

Interesting. I was flying my simulated Cessna 182 and it didn't
seem like the pitch trim fully deflected the elevators even with the
trim all the way over (that is, I could still move the yoke to get
even further deflection). It sounds like this is true to life.

Nothing about a sim is true to life. It's a toy. Different airplanes
have different authorits. i can loop my Citabira with the pitch trim.


Bertie

YEAH!!!! Sure ya can lamer.


As if your belief one way or another makes a difference.

Bertie


Yeah, no ****. As if yours does either wannabe.

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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I've flown a few that couldn't even be trimmed for slow flight or
approach ( pre war stuff) The trim was apparently only considered
to be useful for cruise.

Interesting. I was flying my simulated Cessna 182 and it didn't
seem like the pitch trim fully deflected the elevators even with the
trim all the way over (that is, I could still move the yoke to get
even further deflection). It sounds like this is true to life.

Nothing about a sim is true to life. It's a toy. Different airplanes
have different authorits. i can loop my Citabira with the pitch trim.


Bertie

YEAH!!!! Sure ya can lamer.


As if your belief one way or another makes a difference.

Bertie


Yeah, no ****. As if yours does either wannabe.

Well, Max, in addition to my other doubts, I now doubt that you ever even
flew a "thrown" model as a kid!

Peter

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I've flown a few that couldn't even be trimmed for slow flight
or approach ( pre war stuff) The trim was apparently only
considered to be useful for cruise.

Interesting. I was flying my simulated Cessna 182 and it didn't
seem like the pitch trim fully deflected the elevators even with
the trim all the way over (that is, I could still move the yoke
to get even further deflection). It sounds like this is true to
life.

Nothing about a sim is true to life. It's a toy. Different
airplanes have different authorits. i can loop my Citabira with
the pitch trim.


Bertie

YEAH!!!! Sure ya can lamer.


As if your belief one way or another makes a difference.

Bertie


Yeah, no ****. As if yours does either wannabe.

Well, Max, in addition to my other doubts, I now doubt that you ever
even flew a "thrown" model as a kid!

They're properly called a Hand Launched Glider, or HLG or "chuck"
glider.


Bertie

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:09:16 -0800, Scott Skylane
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Stealth Pilot wrote:
/snip/
trim has nothing to do with the movement limits on control surfaces.

/snip/

Stealth,

This is not universally true. On the Douglas DC-6, for instance,
elevator "up" travel is limited by the elevator trim position. Dialing
in the last 5 degrees of nose up trim allows an extra 3 degrees of
elevator "up" travel. This was done to limit elevator "up" movement
with aft CG loading conditions.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

ok you successfully cite the one instance possibly :-) I defer to your
knowledge of the obscure.

stops of the type I mentioned are a mandated requirement in my country
for the environment I play in.

Stealth Pilot

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Apr 26, 3:56 pm, Buttman wrote:

"supposed to", but doesn't always. I've flown planes (especially cessnas
with their crappy cereal-box-toy-quality plastic stall horns) that don't go
off at all, but will test fine on the ground.

That's not hard to fix. The plastic fitting inside the leading
edge cracks and leaks. Sometimes the sun's heat warps and shrinks the
fitting so that it no longer seals against the LE and leaks at that
point, too. Any leakage will kill the horn. The horn itself has a
little replaceable reed in it, costs something like 79 cents from
Cessna. And I think that leaky cabin doors sometimes have something to
do with it; the horn uses suction to drive it, and a leaky door (among
other things) can drop the cabin pressure a little, reducing the
differential so that the horn doesn't sound well. The older and better
system (still used on more expensive Cessnas and other airplanes) has
the vane that works a $300 microswitch assembly to fire an electric
horn. The microswitch gets dust in it and doesn't contact properly, so
you soak it in some brake cleaner or isopropyl and blow it out,
clicking it all the while.

Dan

$300 ????????????

the microswitch in my Tailwind cost $1.25 from Tandy. it is held in
with tape to make a jamb fit.
been working perfectly for 300 hours flying.

Stealth Pilot

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:09:16 -0800, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Stealth Pilot wrote:
/snip/
trim has nothing to do with the movement limits on control surfaces.

/snip/

Stealth,

This is not universally true. On the Douglas DC-6, for instance,
elevator "up" travel is limited by the elevator trim position. Dialing
in the last 5 degrees of nose up trim allows an extra 3 degrees of
elevator "up" travel. This was done to limit elevator "up" movement
with aft CG loading conditions.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

ok you successfully cite the one instance possibly :-) I defer to your
knowledge of the obscure.

stops of the type I mentioned are a mandated requirement in my country
for the environment I play in.

Stealth Pilot

Not nearly so obscure as you sugest. Aircraft with a fully trimming
stabilizer have a result result of adding to the effective elevator
authority--examples are the Piper Cub and all of the "straight tail"
Mooneys.

Peter