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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in : They don't do it with hardware designed for military use, unless it has proven it is not a hazard. They don't do it without a responsible PIC at the helm. What is your fixation with "hardware designed for military use"? Does something designed for civilian use hurt less if it hits you than something designed for military use? I believe, that if the hardware had been designed for civil use, safeguards would have been designed in. Safeguards such as what? Don't bother to mention R/C models that stall themselves when control is lost as that only exists to help recove the thing and not all of them do that. In a war theater there is no need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate. So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and war Humvees... -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in : In a war theater there is no need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate. So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and war Humvees... No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in war theaters being used domestically. And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV and a "war theater" UAV? I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established for that purpose. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:35:04 GMT, wrote in
: Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in : In a war theater there is no need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate. So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and war Humvees... No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in war theaters being used domestically. And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV and a "war theater" UAV? One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate.. I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established for that purpose. I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of. |
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![]() "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV and a "war theater" UAV? One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate.. I assure you UAVs used for domestic operations are safe. I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established for that purpose. I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of. Only UAVs operated by DOJ are equipped with ordinance. |
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:41:17 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in : "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV and a "war theater" UAV? One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate.. I assure you UAVs used for domestic operations are safe. Anyone who believes that an uncontrollable UAV is safe for domestic operations is unqualified to assure much of anything, IMNSHO. I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established for that purpose. I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of. Only UAVs operated by DOJ are equipped with ordinance. You mean domestically operated, right? You wouldn't want to confuse poor Mr. Simon. :-) So the DOJ is patrolling our domestic boarders with live ordinance? If so, it begs the question, what potential hazard do their UAVs pose to our citizens in the event they become uncontrollable or the command link is compromised by bad guys? Please don't attempt to get me to believe that that is not possible. |
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On May 10, 1:03 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:35:04 GMT, wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in : In a war theater there is no need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate. So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and war Humvees... No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in war theaters being used domestically. And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV and a "war theater" UAV? One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate.. I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established for that purpose. I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of. Whether there is a reg or not, tanks and humvees do not conduct training missions on public highways. Same with aerial combat training. So Larry does have a point about military UAV training over neighborhoods. |
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![]() "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message ... Whether there is a reg or not, tanks and humvees do not conduct training missions on public highways. Same with aerial combat training. So Larry does have a point about military UAV training over neighborhoods. ACM is frequently conducted in MOAs that overly populated areas |
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 10, 1:03 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:35:04 GMT, wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in : In a war theater there is no need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate. So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and war Humvees... No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in war theaters being used domestically. And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV and a "war theater" UAV? One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate.. I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established for that purpose. I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of. Whether there is a reg or not, tanks and humvees do not conduct training missions on public highways. Same with aerial combat training. So Larry does have a point about military UAV training over neighborhoods. Wrong. The military trys to avoid paved roads with heavy tracked vehicles as they have a tendancy to tear up the road, even with road tracks, but they do on occasion run them on public roads. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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