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Old May 10th 08, 06:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise

On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:35:04 GMT, wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT,
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT,
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In a war theater there is no
need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing
hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate.

So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks
and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and
war Humvees...


No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic
operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in
war theaters being used domestically.


And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV
and a "war theater" UAV?


One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in
proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy
in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate..

I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military
doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established
for that purpose.


I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it
relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with
two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of.
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Old May 10th 08, 07:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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Default USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV
and a "war theater" UAV?


One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in
proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy
in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate..


I assure you UAVs used for domestic operations are safe.



I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military
doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established
for that purpose.


I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it
relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with
two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of.


Only UAVs operated by DOJ are equipped with ordinance.


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Old May 10th 08, 08:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:41:17 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV
and a "war theater" UAV?


One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in
proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy
in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate..


I assure you UAVs used for domestic operations are safe.


Anyone who believes that an uncontrollable UAV is safe for domestic
operations is unqualified to assure much of anything, IMNSHO.



I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military
doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established
for that purpose.


I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it
relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with
two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of.


Only UAVs operated by DOJ are equipped with ordinance.


You mean domestically operated, right? You wouldn't want to confuse
poor Mr. Simon. :-)

So the DOJ is patrolling our domestic boarders with live ordinance? If
so, it begs the question, what potential hazard do their UAVs pose to
our citizens in the event they become uncontrollable or the command
link is compromised by bad guys? Please don't attempt to get me to
believe that that is not possible.

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Old May 10th 08, 09:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Andrew Sarangan
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Default USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise

On May 10, 1:03 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:35:04 GMT, wrote in
:



Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, wrote in
:


Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in
:


In a war theater there is no
need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing
hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate.


So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks
and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and
war Humvees...


No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic
operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in
war theaters being used domestically.


And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV
and a "war theater" UAV?


One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in
proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy
in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate..

I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military
doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established
for that purpose.


I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it
relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with
two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of.


Whether there is a reg or not, tanks and humvees do not conduct
training missions on public highways. Same with aerial combat
training. So Larry does have a point about military UAV training over
neighborhoods.


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Old May 10th 08, 09:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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Default USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Whether there is a reg or not, tanks and humvees do not conduct
training missions on public highways. Same with aerial combat
training. So Larry does have a point about military UAV training over
neighborhoods.


ACM is frequently conducted in MOAs that overly populated areas


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Old May 11th 08, 10:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On May 10, 1:03 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:35:04 GMT, wrote in
:



Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, wrote in
:


Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:05:02 GMT, wrote in
:


In a war theater there is no
need for those sorts of safeguards, so training operations employing
hardware not designed for civil operation is inappropriate.


So there should be training bombers and war bombers, training tanks
and war tanks, training rifles and war rifles, training Humvees and
war Humvees...


No. If at all, there should be UAVs that are designed for domestic
operations during peacetime, instead of hardware designed for use in
war theaters being used domestically.


And what precisely would be the difference between a "peacetime" UAV
and a "war theater" UAV?


One would be designed to be safe for domestic operation over, and in
proximity to, the public; the other would be designed for its efficacy
in the war theater with public safeguard concerns subordinate..

I will go way out on a limb here and assume you know the military
doesn't use live ordinance for training outside of ranges established
for that purpose.


I would certainly hope that to be the policy, but I don't see how it
relates to the Raven UAV in this instance. The Raven is equipped with
two video cameras, and no ordinance that I am aware of.


Whether there is a reg or not, tanks and humvees do not conduct
training missions on public highways. Same with aerial combat
training. So Larry does have a point about military UAV training over
neighborhoods.


Wrong.

The military trys to avoid paved roads with heavy tracked vehicles
as they have a tendancy to tear up the road, even with road tracks,
but they do on occasion run them on public roads.


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Jim Pennino

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