Annual overdue by a few days

I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD had
to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO office,
they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
turbochargers (as if I didn't know ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several FAA
approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless, I
got the sign-off)

In short, make it your business to get an annual done before expiration
date.
"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote:

On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry
wrote:



The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs
off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get
the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from
the FSDO is near his desk.

actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one
who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically
an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft.
unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion
doesnt come into it.
Stealth Pilot

I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity.

"§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits.
(a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special
flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed
by the Administrator, indicating-

(1) The purpose of the flight.

(2) The proposed itinerary.

(3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g.,
pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc.

(4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the
applicable airworthiness requirements.

(5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe
operation of the aircraft.

(6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator
for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations.

(b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make
appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety."

I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign
a box saying it was safe to move for the annual.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:52:50 -0400, "tom418"
wrote:

I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD had
to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO office,

Why'd you do that?

they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
turbochargers (as if I didn't know ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several FAA
approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless, I
got the sign-off)

My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

I went down to the FSDO office because they would issue the permit at no
caharge- and they did. The local DAR wanted $250.00
wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 May 2008 16:52:50 -0400, "tom418"
wrote:

I had to get a mechanic to inspect my Seneca prior to the issuance of a
ferry permit. In addition, the 100 hr rear seat retention mechanism AD
had
to be complied with. PLUS, when I took the logbooks over to the FSDO
office,

Why'd you do that?

they noticed that AD on my Seneca 1's turbochargers was never signed off,
and I had to get the mechanic to attest that my plane didn't have
turbochargers (as if I didn't know ) The mechanic laughed and insisted
that the AD applied to the turbochargers and not the airframe. (Several
FAA
approved shops still insisted that the AD didn't apply ,but nonetheless,
I
got the sign-off)

My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:41:46 -0400, "tom418"
wrote:

I went down to the FSDO office because they would issue the permit at no
caharge- and they did. The local DAR wanted $250.00

The FSDO made you bring in the logs just to get a ferry permit for an
aircraft that was barely beyond annual inspection?

On May 11, 10:39*am, Peter Clark
wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:41:46 -0400, "tom418"
wrote:

I went down to the FSDO office because they would issue the permit at no
caharge- and they did. *The local DAR wanted $250.00

The FSDO made you bring in the logs just to get a ferry permit for an
aircraft that was barely beyond annual inspection?

Sure,,, How else would he have known his Non turbo plane needed an AD
sign off for the turbo's... Silly wabbit.. Them guvment guys are sharp
as a round rock ya know.....

On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:41:46 -0400, "tom418"
wrote:


got the sign-off)

My last 5 annuals were late. I called the FSDO, they sent me the
papers, (I don't have a fax machine), My mechanic said, "looks OK,
signed it, and I flew it to the other airport for the annual. There
was no inspection of logs, or anything else by the FSDO. By the time
they received the paperwork the annual was already complete.

No Charges either... well except for the annual which was minimal.



Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com