USAF Loses UAV Over Populated Area In Training Exercise

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Gig 601XL Builder
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We happen to be fighting a war in an Urban area right now.

Is the urban area you mention green and swampy like the site in
Florida?

Urban is urban. If they were flying over swamp then what the hell are
you bitching about.




Do think that it might be helpful for the troops to train in an urban
enviroment?

Sure. How about over their barracks, or would that be too
inconvenient?

They might well need city sized area to practice. Would you be bitching
if it was a couple of kids with a R/C plane flying over the area.

On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:45:14 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Gig 601XL Builder
wrote in
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We happen to be fighting a war in an Urban area right now.

Is the urban area you mention green and swampy like the site in
Florida?

Urban is urban. If they were flying over swamp then what the hell are
you bitching about.


My question was meant to refute your implication that urban
Afghanistan, or Iraq bare any resemblance to Florida.




Do think that it might be helpful for the troops to train in an urban
enviroment?

Sure. How about over their barracks, or would that be too
inconvenient?

They might well need city sized area to practice. Would you be bitching
if it was a couple of kids with a R/C plane flying over the area.

It's common among modelers to assure that the aircraft is responsive
to control inputs before it is launched. Because it was reported that
the subject Raven aircraft was uncontrollable immediately after
launch, its loss of control is consistent with not having its control
responses verified before being launched.

The vast majority of modelers fly at designated fields, not over
peoples homes and highways, so the likelihood of a mishap involving
humans is less likely. If modelers can act responsibly, perhaps the
military should take a lesson.

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:45:14 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Gig 601XL Builder
wrote in
:

We happen to be fighting a war in an Urban area right now.

Is the urban area you mention green and swampy like the site in
Florida?

Urban is urban. If they were flying over swamp then what the hell are
you bitching about.


My question was meant to refute your implication that urban
Afghanistan, or Iraq bare any resemblance to Florida.




Do think that it might be helpful for the troops to train in an urban
enviroment?

Sure. How about over their barracks, or would that be too
inconvenient?

They might well need city sized area to practice. Would you be bitching
if it was a couple of kids with a R/C plane flying over the area.

It's common among modelers to assure that the aircraft is responsive
to control inputs before it is launched. Because it was reported that
the subject Raven aircraft was uncontrollable immediately after
launch, its loss of control is consistent with not having its control
responses verified before being launched.

It is also consistent with the system failing on takeoff and you have
zero information on Raven preflight procedures.

The vast majority of modelers fly at designated fields, not over
peoples homes and highways, so the likelihood of a mishap involving
humans is less likely. If modelers can act responsibly, perhaps the
military should take a lesson.

Utter nonsense.

The vast majority of modelers fly at whatever open space they can find.

There is no one to "designate" a model field.

Models often fly over homes and higways in the heavily populated areas
of the US.


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Jim Pennino

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On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:55:05 GMT, wrote in
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The vast majority of modelers fly at whatever open space they can find.

Certainly that is true out in the country, but within urban settings,
radio control model flight is usually conducted at model flying fields
for obvious reasons.

You will see from the document below, that designated model flying
fields are indeed coveted in the Los Angeles area:


http://www.edsfclub.org/30%20Years%2...ld%20III. pdf
The city of Fountain Valley determined that 2 golf courses in Mile
Square Park were insufficient and a 3rd one was required. This was
land given to the city by the government as park land, but
ignoring the protests of modelers and other organizations who had
used the land for decades, the city created yet another urban
desert (golf course) for the sole enjoyment of those able to
afford the city’s green fees. The fliers who had enjoyed Mile
Square as a world class RC model site were forced out with no
alternatives and many chose to join us at El Dorado. This created
a bit more crowding than we were used to, but we made many new
friends and the end result has been good for all ...

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:55:05 GMT, wrote in
:

The vast majority of modelers fly at whatever open space they can find.

Certainly that is true out in the country, but within urban settings,
radio control model flight is usually conducted at model flying fields
for obvious reasons.

You will see from the document below, that designated model flying
fields are indeed coveted in the Los Angeles area:


http://www.edsfclub.org/30%20Years%2...ld%20III. pdf
The city of Fountain Valley determined that 2 golf courses in Mile
Square Park were insufficient and a 3rd one was required. This was
land given to the city by the government as park land, but
ignoring the protests of modelers and other organizations who had
used the land for decades, the city created yet another urban
desert (golf course) for the sole enjoyment of those able to
afford the city’s green fees. The fliers who had enjoyed Mile
Square as a world class RC model site were forced out with no
alternatives and many chose to join us at El Dorado. This created
a bit more crowding than we were used to, but we made many new
friends and the end result has been good for all ...

A press release from on R/C club wouldn't prove the point even if it
were on topic and this one isn't. You do realize that R/C fliers do fly
other than in groups. There was one flying over my house this weekend.
It took of from the street about a block away.

P.S. I did not hide under my bed an shiver in fear while it was up.

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:55:05 GMT, wrote in
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The vast majority of modelers fly at whatever open space they can find.

Certainly that is true out in the country, but within urban settings,
radio control model flight is usually conducted at model flying fields
for obvious reasons.

Which is whatever open space they can find.

You will see from the document below, that designated model flying
fields are indeed coveted in the Los Angeles area:

What you see in the document you reference is that many cities in SoCal
have run the modelers out of the city owned parks so they go to whatever
open space they can find.

And once again, there is no one to "designate" a model flying field.


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Jim Pennino

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