I give up, after many, many years!

Le Chaud Lapin writes:

There is something about the character of
some pilots in this group that makes them noticeably different from
any other newsgroup that I have encountered. It is hard not to use
perjorative terms without saying what this difference is, but if I had
to choose two, I would say that _some_ pilots here are not "entirely
receptive to new ideas", and a few feel that "their status as a
licensed aviators gives them the right to be rude" toward those who
are not licensed.

I should hope that most pilots were not this bad, and it seems that they are
not. I'm not sure why so many pilots in this newsgroup fit the description;
perhaps it is a combination of personality characteristics that produces it.

A few of us, the students, were sitting around in the lobby, talking
about experimental aircraft (Moller and possibility of flying cars),
and the licensed pilots were attacking us, not in a healthy way, but
in, "You have no idea what you are talking about." way. We were
discussing strength of materials, flight dynamics, and control theory,
and there were two people present who just happened to have experience
in strength of materials and control theory, at university level, but
the pilots did not know.

The owner of the flight school was present, watching from across the
room quietly until, two of the pilots started refuting vigorously
something that was clearly true. The owner interrupted in favor of
the students.

But it was not the details of the subject that mattered. It was the
sensitivity exhibited by the pilots. It was apparent that they simply
did not like the idea of someone who was not a pilot discussing the
dynamics of flight or control theory or anything that questioned dogma
in their presence. They found it offenssive. This is the only group in
USENET where I have encountered this type of sensitivity.

I think it is linked to insecurity. Some pilots probably use their licenses
as a basis for building up a large but fragile ego; subsequently, whenever
anything threatens that house of cards, they lash out defensively. It makes
them look overemotional and stupid, but they do not realize this. Smart
pilots are unlikely to be insecure and do not need a pilot's license for
self-validation, so I wouldn't expect them to behave in this way.

There are other groups, where the gap between what resident sages know
and what newbies know is much larger, say in sci.crypt and comp.dsp,
and the hostility is no where near what I have seen in this group.

Perhaps the status is less illusory among the knowledgeable people in those
groups.

On May 12, 11:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

I should hope that most pilots were not this bad, and it seems that they are
not. *I'm not sure why so many pilots in this newsgroup fit the description;
perhaps it is a combination of personality characteristics that produces it.

F. Baum writes:

Partially agree here. At work I see the types who have to make sure
evryone at a party knows they are a pilot. They drive around town
running errands 3 hours before sign in IN their uniforms, they have
mailboxes shaped like an F16, they have a jet engine for a ringtone on
the cellphone etc. Most of these guys are a pain to have to fly with.
Their entire persona is wraped up with being a pilot. Mebbie they just
need something better to do on their days off.

There are really such pilots? It sounds like some sort of Hollywood parody.

Mxsmanic wrote:
F. Baum writes:

Partially agree here. At work I see the types who have to make sure
evryone at a party knows they are a pilot. They drive around town
running errands 3 hours before sign in IN their uniforms, they have
mailboxes shaped like an F16, they have a jet engine for a ringtone on
the cellphone etc. Most of these guys are a pain to have to fly with.
Their entire persona is wraped up with being a pilot. Mebbie they just
need something better to do on their days off.

There are really such pilots? It sounds like some sort of Hollywood parody.
There are, just as there are pilots with good solid personalities. There
is also a third scenario to envision; that being a pilot with a good
solid personality who is visualized as being other than this by someone
or others with personality problems of their own.

--
Dudley Henriques

On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), "F. Baum"
wrote:

Partially agree here. At work I see the types who have to make sure
evryone at a party knows they are a pilot. They drive around town
running errands 3 hours before sign in IN their uniforms

FWIW, I know firefighters, mail carriers, a UPS driver, a FedEx driver
and a riverboat pilot that do the same.

In fact I know firefighters that wear something related to
firefighting, like a "DC Collapse Unit" t-shirt, EVERY day.

B A R R Y wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), "F. Baum"
wrote:

Partially agree here. At work I see the types who have to make sure
evryone at a party knows they are a pilot. They drive around town
running errands 3 hours before sign in IN their uniforms

FWIW, I know firefighters, mail carriers, a UPS driver, a FedEx driver
and a riverboat pilot that do the same.


True. Some would be just too lazy to change, of course!

In fact I know firefighters that wear something related to
firefighting, like a "DC Collapse Unit" t-shirt, EVERY day.


That's a bit creepy, alright. If you've ever had the opportunity to have
to be consoled for some really major trauma, the feeling that comes from
having someone show you some genuine sympathy is intense, to say the
least. It's a physical reaction, obviously designed to encourage the
person to seek out the assistance of the tribe in hard times and it
feels as good as an orgasm, or what I might imagine a shot of an opiate
might feel like. I'm sure lots here have felt it. It's not hard to see
how it might become addictive, in fact. I've got a notion that it's
probably the reason that people with Munchausen and it's related
ailments do what they do.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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B A R R Y wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), "F. Baum"
wrote:

Partially agree here. At work I see the types who have to make sure
evryone at a party knows they are a pilot. They drive around town
running errands 3 hours before sign in IN their uniforms

FWIW, I know firefighters, mail carriers, a UPS driver, a FedEx driver
and a riverboat pilot that do the same.


True. Some would be just too lazy to change, of course!

In fact I know firefighters that wear something related to
firefighting, like a "DC Collapse Unit" t-shirt, EVERY day.


That's a bit creepy, alright. If you've ever had the opportunity to have
to be consoled for some really major trauma, the feeling that comes from
having someone show you some genuine sympathy is intense, to say the
least. It's a physical reaction, obviously designed to encourage the
person to seek out the assistance of the tribe in hard times and it
feels as good as an orgasm, or what I might imagine a shot of an opiate
might feel like. I'm sure lots here have felt it. It's not hard to see
how it might become addictive, in fact. I've got a notion that it's
probably the reason that people with Munchausen and it's related
ailments do what they do.

Bertie


What a crock of ****. Are you quoting your brother Dudley directly.

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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B A R R Y wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), "F. Baum"

wrote:

Partially agree here. At work I see the types who have to make sure
evryone at a party knows they are a pilot. They drive around town
running errands 3 hours before sign in IN their uniforms

FWIW, I know firefighters, mail carriers, a UPS driver, a FedEx
driver
and a riverboat pilot that do the same.


True. Some would be just too lazy to change, of course!

In fact I know firefighters that wear something related to
firefighting, like a "DC Collapse Unit" t-shirt, EVERY day.


That's a bit creepy, alright. If you've ever had the opportunity to
have
to be consoled for some really major trauma, the feeling that comes
from
having someone show you some genuine sympathy is intense, to say the
least. It's a physical reaction, obviously designed to encourage the
person to seek out the assistance of the tribe in hard times and it
feels as good as an orgasm, or what I might imagine a shot of an
opiate
might feel like. I'm sure lots here have felt it. It's not hard to
see
how it might become addictive, in fact. I've got a notion that it's
probably the reason that people with Munchausen and it's related
ailments do what they do.

Bertie


What a crock of ****. Are you quoting your brother Dudley directly.


Nope. Personal experience, fjukktard.
And there are several peole here aware of that experience and so realise
what a ninny you are.

Not that that would be much of a revelation.

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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You;re a legend in your own mind.