Cessna 172R from Telluride to Aspen

Steve Foley writes:

This statement sounds like pure conjecture on your part.

Perhaps, but it is based on NTSB and JAMA special reports that I have read. I
don't think they engage in conjecture.

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Steve Foley writes:

This statement sounds like pure conjecture on your part.

Perhaps, but it is based on NTSB and JAMA special reports that I have
read. I
don't think they engage in conjecture.

NTSB reports don't list prior incidents. In fact, they rarely identify the
pilot.

Steve Foley writes:

NTSB reports don't list prior incidents. In fact, they rarely identify the
pilot.

Perhaps the word "special" escaped your notice. You can download them from
the NTSB site.

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Steve Foley writes:

NTSB reports don't list prior incidents. In fact, they rarely identify
the
pilot.

Perhaps the word "special" escaped your notice. You can download them
from
the NTSB site.

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

Steve Foley writes:

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

From NTSB/SS-05/01:

Accident, Incident, and Violation History

A review of the accident and incident history of study pilots indicated
that 19 percent of accident pilots had an accident or incident before the
study accident. In four of these cases, the event included in the study was
the pilot's third recorded mishap. In contrast, figure 14 shows that a smaller
proportion of pilots in the nonaccident control group were ever involved in an
accident or incident. The differences in accident and incident history between
groups was statistically significant, .2 (1, N = 207) = 3.99, p = .046, with a
larger percentage of accident pilots having been involved in a prior
occurrence.

In addition to accidents and incidents, FAA records indicated that 6 of the 72
study accident pilots had civil aviation violations on their records, in
contrast to only 3 of the 135 nonaccident pilots. The descriptive comparison
suggests that a higher percentage of accident pilots had violation records,
but because of the small numbers of all study pilots with violations,
statistical analyses were not conducted for these values.

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Steve Foley writes:

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

From NTSB/SS-05/01:

Accident, Incident, and Violation History

A review of the accident and incident history of study pilots indicated
that 19 percent of accident pilots had an accident or incident before the
study accident. In four of these cases, the event included in the study
was
the pilot's third recorded mishap.

19 percent is not 'most'.

Two previous mishaps in four cases does not equate to a long history of
incidents.

This does not support the statement that:

"Most pilots who kill themselves have a long history of
incidents prior "

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Steve Foley writes:

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

From NTSB/SS-05/01:

Accident, Incident, and Violation History

A review of the accident and incident history of study pilots indicated
that 19 percent of accident pilots had an accident or incident before the
study accident. In four of these cases, the event included in the study
was

So, like, the NTSB figgured out that some pilots aren't as good as others
and tend to have accidents? Wow. What a surprise.

Guess what. There are some Doctors out there that graduated at the bottom of
their class too.

And English teachers...

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Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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Like the English teachers that didn't know how to teach you to spell
"figured"? Or not capitalize "Doctors" as a class of people? Or put a
question mark at the end of the "Guess what?" incomplete sentence?

Jim
Science teacher who grades very hard on grammar and punctuation in the
semester final report.



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without accepting it."
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So, like, the NTSB figgured out that some pilots aren't as good as others
and tend to have accidents? Wow. What a surprise.

Guess what. There are some Doctors out there that graduated at the bottom
of their class too.

And English teachers...

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.