Cessna 172R from Telluride to Aspen

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

This statement sounds like pure conjecture on your part.

Perhaps, but it is based on NTSB and JAMA special reports that I have
read. I
don't think they engage in conjecture.

NTSB reports don't list prior incidents. In fact, they rarely identify the
pilot.

There is nothing as much fun as an unskilled in the discipline person
speak authoritatively. All of this wisdom comes to us from someone
who has never had the visceral sensation of feeling the control
pressures lessen in slow flight or the sensation at the break of a
full stall. Or for that matter tries to tell us his experiment with a
high altitude simulated flight without flight planning in a 172
is somehow definitive.

Opps -- it WAS definitive, but the definition had everything to do
with the poster, not the simulation.


felt the controls On May 14, 8:17 am, Mxsmanic
wrote:
Steve Foley writes:
The Instrument Procedures Handbook does not address Visual Flight Rules.

But it does explain airways and the type of terrain and obstacle clearance
they provide (because this is very important for IFR flight).

Essentially, if you correctly fly along an airway, you can be assured of a
certain margin of clearance over obstacles and terrain. That's one of the
reasons for having airways in the first place.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

The Instrument Procedures Handbook does not address Visual Flight Rules.

But it does explain airways and the type of terrain and obstacle clearance
they provide (because this is very important for IFR flight).

You stated you were flying VFR


Essentially, if you correctly fly along an airway, you can be assured of a
certain margin of clearance over obstacles and terrain. That's one of the
reasons for having airways in the first place.

The best terrain clearance is normally not along an airway. Mountain passes
don't care where the VORs are.

Steve Foley writes:

So you feel comfortable extrapolating your experience with 'many' members of
Mensa to 'Almost all Mensa members'.

Yes. And in fact I'm being charitable.

Steve Foley writes:

NTSB reports don't list prior incidents. In fact, they rarely identify the
pilot.

Perhaps the word "special" escaped your notice. You can download them from
the NTSB site.

Steve Foley writes:

You stated you were flying VFR

You said that you were not taught about safety margins for terrain in airways.
I pointed you to an official publication that describes those margins.

The best terrain clearance is normally not along an airway. Mountain passes
don't care where the VORs are.

Read the book.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

NTSB reports don't list prior incidents. In fact, they rarely identify
the
pilot.

Perhaps the word "special" escaped your notice. You can download them
from
the NTSB site.

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

You stated you were flying VFR

You said that you were not taught about safety margins for terrain in
airways.

I clearly stated that I was not taught that 'airways were supposed to be
safer'

I pointed you to an official publication that describes those margins.

You pointed to a publication that was not relevant to the flight.


The best terrain clearance is normally not along an airway. Mountain
passes
don't care where the VORs are.

Read the book.

I have. In fact, I'll be taking the written test in a few weeks.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

So you feel comfortable extrapolating your experience with 'many'
members of
Mensa to 'Almost all Mensa members'.

Yes. And in fact I'm being charitable.

'Charitable' is not the term that comes to my mind when considering your
analysis.

Steve Foley writes:

'Charitable' is not the term that comes to my mind when considering your
analysis.

What comes to my mind is that Mensa has nothing to do with aviation.