Cessna 172R from Telluride to Aspen

Steve Foley writes:

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

From NTSB/SS-05/01:

Accident, Incident, and Violation History

A review of the accident and incident history of study pilots indicated
that 19 percent of accident pilots had an accident or incident before the
study accident. In four of these cases, the event included in the study was
the pilot's third recorded mishap. In contrast, figure 14 shows that a smaller
proportion of pilots in the nonaccident control group were ever involved in an
accident or incident. The differences in accident and incident history between
groups was statistically significant, .2 (1, N = 207) = 3.99, p = .046, with a
larger percentage of accident pilots having been involved in a prior
occurrence.

In addition to accidents and incidents, FAA records indicated that 6 of the 72
study accident pilots had civil aviation violations on their records, in
contrast to only 3 of the 135 nonaccident pilots. The descriptive comparison
suggests that a higher percentage of accident pilots had violation records,
but because of the small numbers of all study pilots with violations,
statistical analyses were not conducted for these values.

Steve Foley writes:

I have. In fact, I'll be taking the written test in a few weeks.

Good luck.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

The NTSB does not produce 'Special' reports on 'most pilots who kill
themselves'.

From NTSB/SS-05/01:

Accident, Incident, and Violation History

A review of the accident and incident history of study pilots indicated
that 19 percent of accident pilots had an accident or incident before the
study accident. In four of these cases, the event included in the study
was
the pilot's third recorded mishap.

19 percent is not 'most'.

Two previous mishaps in four cases does not equate to a long history of
incidents.

This does not support the statement that:

"Most pilots who kill themselves have a long history of
incidents prior "

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

I have. In fact, I'll be taking the written test in a few weeks.

Good luck.

Getting back to the point, I don't see any airways 20 miles southeast of
Aspen. What was your route?

I also saw (I think) in a post that you leaned the mixture prior to
take-off. Did you continue leaning as you climbed?

Steve Foley writes:

Getting back to the point, I don't see any airways 20 miles southeast of
Aspen. What was your route?

ETL.V68.MTJ.RIL.DBL

I wasn't flying an airway in the 172. I prepared a route that avoided the
high mountains to the east.

I have since flown IFR via ETL.V68.MTJ.V361.DBL at 12000 in the Baron, with no
problems (although KASE was VFR at the time).

I also saw (I think) in a post that you leaned the mixture prior to
take-off. Did you continue leaning as you climbed?

I leaned the mixture for take-off because of the altitude. Held the brakes,
full throttle, adjusted mixture for 10° rich of peak. I did lean it slightly
more during the flight, but there isn't much difference in mixture between
9000 and 12000 feet. I always lean the mixture for peak EGT and then back off
5-15 degrees.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

Getting back to the point, I don't see any airways 20 miles southeast of
Aspen. What was your route?

ETL.V68.MTJ.RIL.DBL


How did you end up southeast of Aspen?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Buster Hymen writes:

Instrument procedures are NOT the only way to fly, you moron.

Nobody said otherwise. I simply pointed out that the design criteria
for airways are discussed in the Instrument Procedures Handbook. It
explains the type of terrain and obstacle clearance that airways
nominally provide. Even someone who doesn't want an IR would still be
well advised to read this book.


You really are a ****ing idiot Anthony. You don't know **** from shinola
about aviation. The terrain and obstacle clearance on the airways are
designed for instrument flight. The fecal matter you call a brain can't
distinguish between VFR and IFR.

Steve Foley writes:

How did you end up southeast of Aspen?

I didn't. I crashed southeast of Garfield County, as I've already explained.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Steve Foley writes:

You stated you were flying VFR

You said that you were not taught about safety margins for terrain in
airways. I pointed you to an official publication that describes those
margins.

The best terrain clearance is normally not along an airway. Mountain
passes don't care where the VORs are.

Read the book.

Not only have we read the book, Anthony you dumb ****, we've actually flown
airplanes. You don't know **** from shinola about flying an airplane. All
you do is play a game while yanking your joy stick.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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I have since flown IFR via ETL.V68.MTJ.V361.DBL at 12000 in the Baron,
with no problems (although KASE was VFR at the time).

LIAR. You have NEVER flown a Baron. You just pretend to fly a Baron while
jerking your joy stick.