I give up, after many, many years!

On May 16, 4:25*pm, Clark wrote:
Le Chaud Lapin wrote in news:9268454e-372c-404b-8a00-
:

On May 15, 9:40*pm, Clark wrote:
First off, don't even pretend to know what I will agree with. If you can't

do that then there is absolutely no point at all in responding. Got it?

Second, don't pretend to know what you need learn before getting in an
airplane. As I said before, talk to flight instructors and trust their
guidance in the matter. The instructors I know say that simulation before
flying is a detriment. Why would you assume to know better?????

I use the simulator for things that the simulator is good for.

You really don't seem to be open to other folk's opinions and guidance on
things they teach. That approach will set you back in any practical training
that you do.

It could be learning style. Some people would rather learn from a
person than from a book. I'm the opposite. I would rather learn what I
can from a book, then let the person fill in the gaps or
misunderstandings. It's more efficient (for me).

Getting experience with VOR tracking in a simulator is a lot cheaper
than hands-on-training in a cockpit at $100US/hour, for example.

Good luck with that approach. After you learn to fly a real aircraft be sure
and come back here to appologize for your arrogance.

What is there to apologize for?

Does everything about flying require an instructor to be present? If
that were the case, then there would be no point in buying books, etc.

There has to be something that a simulator can offer that does not
require the instructor to be present.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

There has to be something that a simulator can offer that does not
require the instructor to be present.

Much depends on the level of your simulator. If you have something like our
Penguin (see it he http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm )
you can learn a lot. If you're flying a mouse in front of your laptop, not
so much.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:cPsXj.113142$TT4.57109@attbi_s22:

There has to be something that a simulator can offer that does not
require the instructor to be present.

Much depends on the level of your simulator. If you have something
like our Penguin (see it he
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm ) you can learn a
lot.


Of ****#



Bertie

On May 16, 11:04*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
There has to be something that a simulator can offer that does not
require the instructor to be present.

Much depends on the level of your simulator. *If you have something like our
Penguin (see it hehttp://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm)
you can learn a lot. *If you're flying a mouse in front of your laptop, not
so much.

Hah...I must have come full circle.

Last year, when I decided to get into flying, everything was new, and
so I just went to Google and jumped in, then took ground school, etc.

Your link you give is one of the first one's I saw. I remember
thinking, "That simulator is soooo coool...and the idea of a flying-
themed hotel. Maybe one day..."

Going to reread your site, now that I have some idea of what I'm
looking at.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Le Chaud Lapin wrote in news:83f0f162-79f7-4cd9-
:

On May 16, 11:04*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
There has to be something that a simulator can offer that does not
require the instructor to be present.

Much depends on the level of your simulator. *If you have something
like
our
Penguin (see it
hehttp://www.alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm)
you can learn a lot. *If you're flying a mouse in front of your
laptop,
not
so much.

Hah...I must have come full circle.

Last year, when I decided to get into flying, everything was new, and
so I just went to Google and jumped in, then took ground school, etc.

Your link you give is one of the first one's I saw. I remember
thinking, "That simulator is soooo coool...and the idea of a flying-
themed hotel. Maybe one day..."

Going to reread your site, now that I have some idea of what I'm
looking at.

-Le Chaud Lapin-


There ya go Jay, you should put the rabbit's endorsement in your
pamphlets. Sums you up perfectly.



Bertie

Clark writes:

A book does not equal a simulator.

Actually it does. It describes flying without actually allowing a person to
experience it. The distinction in this debate is between the alleged unique
and essential character of real experience vs. simulation of real experience.
Simulation can take many forms, and is not found only in the form of a desktop
PC program. Reading about something is simulation. So is an instructor's
illustration with paper and pencil or with a model airplane. If simulation
with a PC cannot be adequate, then neither can anything else.

However, the reality is that simulation is fine. The closer it is to reality
and the more accurate it is, the more useful it is, but anything that
simulates with any accuracy at all is always useful.

The apology is in order for claiming that you know better than the folks
who have gone before you when you haven't made the journey yourself.

I owe nothing to them, and I feel no obligation to preserve or inflate their
egos. I merely discuss aviation. Other people are names on a screen. I
evaluate what they say by comparing it to what I read and learn from other
sources. When I see high correlations, I assume that I'm getting accurate
information. When I see large conflicts, I assume that someone or something
is wrong. To me it's all facts and information, not personalities. I'm sorry
if some people are so insecure that they cannot sustain a conversation without
constant praise and validation, but that is their problem, not mine.

Everything about flying the aircraft requires an instructor present until
you solo.

Why?

Why do you claim that?

Actually, I consider it self-evident.

Tell ya what, survey practical simulator use in
flight training (or just about any training) and get back to us on how many
simulators are used without instructors present.

People use simulators with instructors mainly so that they can officially log
the hours in some way, not because simulators are not useful without
instructors. Part of the instructor's role is just to verify that the student
really is using the simulator.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

People use simulators with instructors mainly so that they can
officially log the hours in some way, not because simulators are not
useful without instructors. Part of the instructor's role is just to
verify that the student really is using the simulator.


No, you ****ing retard. The instructor is there to ensure you are using
the simulator properly and learning stuff which will let you live when you
enter real IMC.