I give up, after many, many years!

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In that case the sensation may be the only indication of an uncoordinated
turn available.

If you have neither instruments nor visual references to depend on, you're in
serious trouble, no matter what the magic sensations to which you've become
mystically attuned as a pilot.

In VFR you are supposed to be looking out the window. In that case the
sensation is your only indicator of an uncoordinated turn.

You're permitted to look at instruments even under VFR.

If your are doing something other than looking out the window or
glancing at the instruments, the sensation still tells you that you
are in an uncoordinated turn.

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. If you really need to know, you have an
instrument that will tell you.

A real pilot in a real airplane does not need a turn and bank indicator
to make a coordinated turn.

So pilots wimpy and cowardly enough to resort to instruments are not Real
Pilots, eh? Where have I seen mention of this attitude in the literature?

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

In that case the sensation may be the only indication of an uncoordinated
turn available.

If you have neither instruments nor visual references to depend on, you're in
serious trouble, no matter what the magic sensations to which you've become
mystically attuned as a pilot.

There is no visual reference that will tell you whether or not you are
coordinated in a turn and there is nothing magical or mystical to the
sensation once you've felt it.

Obviously you are totally unable to relate.

In VFR you are supposed to be looking out the window. In that case the
sensation is your only indicator of an uncoordinated turn.

You're permitted to look at instruments even under VFR.

True but irrelevant.

In VFR you are much safer looking out the window than staring at the
instruments like a simmer, especially in a turn.
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If your are doing something other than looking out the window or
glancing at the instruments, the sensation still tells you that you
are in an uncoordinated turn.

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. If you really need to know, you have an
instrument that will tell you.

Wrong.

It does.

A real pilot in a real airplane does not need a turn and bank indicator
to make a coordinated turn.

So pilots wimpy and cowardly enough to resort to instruments are not Real
Pilots, eh? Where have I seen mention of this attitude in the literature?

Point totally, absolutely, and completely missed.


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There is no visual reference that will tell you whether or not you are
coordinated in a turn and there is nothing magical or mystical to the
sensation once you've felt it.

Well, close your eyes and make the turn, and see where you end up.

True but irrelevant.

On the contrary, it's important. Can you really be sure that your turn is
perfectly coordinated and that you are holding altitude without ever looking
at the instruments? How do you know how far you've turned? How do you tell
the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed by the wind?

In VFR you are much safer looking out the window than staring at the
instruments like a simmer, especially in a turn.

In VFR you are safest if you do both. And you can look out the window in a
sim, too.

Wrong.

How do you know the difference between a coordinated turn and, say, an
uncoordinated turn that encounters wind that moves the aircraft? If you
depend on sensation alone, an updraft or downdraft might make you think that
an uncoordinated turn is level and coordinated, when in fact it is
uncoordinated and you are climbing or descending.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

There is no visual reference that will tell you whether or not you
are coordinated in a turn and there is nothing magical or mystical to
the sensation once you've felt it.

Well, close your eyes and make the turn, and see where you end up.

True but irrelevant.

On the contrary, it's important. Can you really be sure that your
turn is perfectly coordinated and that you are holding altitude
without ever looking at the instruments? How do you know how far
you've turned? How do you tell the difference between an
uncoordinated turn and being pushed by the wind?

In VFR you are much safer looking out the window than staring at the
instruments like a simmer, especially in a turn.

In VFR you are safest if you do both. And you can look out the window
in a sim, too.

Wrong.

How do you know the difference between a coordinated turn and, say, an
uncoordinated turn that encounters wind that moves the aircraft? If
you depend on sensation alone, an updraft or downdraft might make you
think that an uncoordinated turn is level and coordinated, when in
fact it is uncoordinated and you are climbing or descending.


Anthony, are you talking from your exensive experience in up/down drafts in
a real airplane or is this yet another of your fantasies while jerking off
to MSFS?

Mxsmanic wrote:
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There is no visual reference that will tell you whether or not you are
coordinated in a turn and there is nothing magical or mystical to the
sensation once you've felt it.

Well, close your eyes and make the turn, and see where you end up.

That's yet another blazingly stupid comment to make.

True but irrelevant.

On the contrary, it's important. Can you really be sure that your turn is
perfectly coordinated and that you are holding altitude without ever looking
at the instruments?

Yes.

How do you know how far you've turned?

Looking out the window. It is a VFR turn, remember from the stuff you cut?

How do you tell
the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed by the wind?

Once again a blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing about
flying.

In VFR you are much safer looking out the window than staring at the
instruments like a simmer, especially in a turn.

In VFR you are safest if you do both. And you can look out the window in a
sim, too.

Wrong.

You are safest spending as much time as possible looking out the window.

When low and slow I will occasionally glance at the turn coordinator,
but other than that it is basically ignored.

Wrong.

How do you know the difference between a coordinated turn and, say, an
uncoordinated turn that encounters wind that moves the aircraft? If you
depend on sensation alone, an updraft or downdraft might make you think that
an uncoordinated turn is level and coordinated, when in fact it is
uncoordinated and you are climbing or descending.

Utter nonsense.

Since you have never flown, you have no idea just how idiotic that statement
is.


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Jim Pennino

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On the contrary, it's important. Can you really be sure that your turn is
perfectly coordinated and that you are holding altitude without ever looking
at the instruments?

Yes.

How?

Looking out the window. It is a VFR turn, remember from the stuff you cut?

Looking out the window is no longer flying by the seat of your pants, which
disproves your assertion.

How do you tell
the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed by the wind?

Once again a blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing about
flying.

How do you tell the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed
by the wind?

You are safest spending as much time as possible looking out the window.

Why? I thought you could fly by the seat of your pants?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

On the contrary, it's important. Can you really be sure that your
turn is perfectly coordinated and that you are holding altitude
without ever looking at the instruments?

Yes.

How?

Looking out the window. It is a VFR turn, remember from the stuff you
cut?

Looking out the window is no longer flying by the seat of your pants,
which disproves your assertion.


Wrong

How do you tell
the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed by
the wind?

Once again a blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing
about flying.

How do you tell the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being
pushed by the wind?


Oh god, soooo wrong.



You are safest spending as much time as possible looking out the
window.

Why? I thought you could fly by the seat of your pants?


Fjukkwit.

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

On the contrary, it's important. Can you really be sure that your turn is
perfectly coordinated and that you are holding altitude without ever looking
at the instruments?

Yes.

How?

Training in a real airplane.

Looking out the window. It is a VFR turn, remember from the stuff you cut?

Looking out the window is no longer flying by the seat of your pants, which
disproves your assertion.

Yet another blazingly stupid response that shows you know nothing about
real flight, not even the terminology.

The term "flying by the seat of your pants" does not mean flying blindfolded.

How do you tell
the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed by the wind?

Once again a blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing about
flying.

How do you tell the difference between an uncoordinated turn and being pushed
by the wind?

Yet another blazingly stupid response that shows you know nothing about
real flight.

You are safest spending as much time as possible looking out the window.

Why? I thought you could fly by the seat of your pants?

Yet another blazingly stupid response that shows you know nothing about
real flight, not even the terminology.

The term "flying by the seat of your pants" does not mean flying blindfolded.


--
Jim Pennino

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