I give up, after many, many years!

writes:

Did you read my post? Did you forget the fact my vacuum system wasn't
working? How can I trust the instruments?

You don't need vacuum for electric instruments.

If you have no instruments and you're in IMC, you have a big problem.

Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it
yesterday.

Don't fly IFR until it's fixed.

Uh, did you forget climb is pretty close to stall buffet?

Is it? You mean "pretty close" as "within 45 degrees"?

A couple of degrees pitch up and you will get close to stall buffet.
Of course you don't feel that in the simulator.

If you're a good pilot, you should never feel it at all.

Wrong. I have been there. You have not.

Maybe next time you're there, you won't come back. Trust your instruments.

The ABSENSE of a feeling is
more important then defective instruments (see above, hint vacuum
failure).

I'm not talking about defective instruments. You should never fly IFR with
defective instruments.

WRONG Re-read what I said above. You got to use your senses to get
to minimums.

No, you can use instruments to get to minimums. After that, you use your eyes
and instruments.

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.

You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this newsgroup.

Everything on a sim doesn't even come close to what I experienced. Oh
yeah, it wasn't straight and level flight, instrument approaches
require turns. Using an attitude indicator that displays level flight
and a DG that doesn't move and my GPS shows degrees ticking off,
doesn't bode well for survival if I don't trust my senses ALONG with
the backup instruments.

You were lucky.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

writes:

Did you read my post? Did you forget the fact my vacuum system
wasn't working? How can I trust the instruments?

You don't need vacuum for electric instruments.

No, you need electricity, fjukktard, even less eliable than vacuum.

If you have no instruments and you're in IMC, you have a big problem.

Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it
yesterday.

Don't fly IFR until it's fixed.

You are a moron.

Uh, did you forget climb is pretty close to stall buffet?

Is it? You mean "pretty close" as "within 45 degrees"?


Good grief, You know less about flying than a cinder block does.

A couple of degrees pitch up and you will get close to stall buffet.
Of course you don't feel that in the simulator.

If you're a good pilot, you should never feel it at all.

Wrong. I have been there. You have not.

Maybe next time you're there, you won't come back. Trust your
instruments.


Idiot.

The ABSENSE of a feeling is
more important then defective instruments (see above, hint vacuum
failure).

I'm not talking about defective instruments. You should never fly IFR
with defective instruments.

They go defective while you are flying sometimes, fjukktard.

WRONG Re-read what I said above. You got to use your senses to get
to minimums.

No, you can use instruments to get to minimums. After that, you use
your eyes and instruments.

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.

You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this
newsgroup.

Everything on a sim doesn't even come close to what I experienced.
Oh yeah, it wasn't straight and level flight, instrument approaches
require turns. Using an attitude indicator that displays level
flight and a DG that doesn't move and my GPS shows degrees ticking
off, doesn't bode well for survival if I don't trust my senses ALONG
with the backup instruments.

You were lucky.



Sounds to me like he knew what he was doing, actually.


Bertie

On May 17, 3:25*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

You don't need vacuum for electric instruments.

I don't have electric instruments along with the majority of the
world. What is your answer to this?

Uh, did you forget climb is pretty close to stall buffet?

Is it? *You mean "pretty close" as "within 45 degrees"?

No, within a few knots.

A couple of degrees pitch up and you will get close to stall buffet.
Of course you don't feel that in the simulator.

If you're a good pilot, you should never feel it at all.

Having never flown a plane, what gives you the position to say this?

Wrong. *I have been there. *You have not.

Maybe next time you're there, you won't come back. *Trust your instruments.

Did you read anything I posted? They failed AFTER liftoff. .
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The ABSENSE of a feeling is
more important then defective instruments (see above, hint vacuum
failure).

I'm not talking about defective instruments. *You should never fly IFR with
defective instruments.

I didin't launch knowingly. It failed after take off. How am I to
survive? Guess senses will be one of your answers?

No, you can use instruments to get to minimums. *After that, you use your eyes
and instruments.

WRONG did you read my post on the absence of a feeling being more
important then a failed instrument?

You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this newsgroup.

NOPE. Used my senses along with every tool I had in my tool kit that
brought me home. No luck about it, that is what training is for and I
took it to heart.

You were lucky.

NOPE. See above.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it
yesterday.

Don't fly IFR until it's fixed.


Dumber and dumber with every post, Anthony. Calling you a moron gives you
way too much credit for intelligence.

Instruments fail in flight. A concept the fecal matter you call a brain
will never understand.

Anthony, you don't know **** from shinola.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.

You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this
newsgroup.

Good grief! The poster is NOT the only pilot who has experienced vacuum
failure in IMC. It's one of the basic things we train for. I had vacuum
failure the very first time I was in the clouds after passing my checkride.
It was a non-event.

Bertie was being charitable when he said you know less about aviation than
a cinder block. You really should get back on your medication(s).

Helen Waite wrote in
:

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.

You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this
newsgroup.

Good grief! The poster is NOT the only pilot who has experienced
vacuum failure in IMC. It's one of the basic things we train for. I
had vacuum failure the very first time I was in the clouds after
passing my checkride. It was a non-event.

Bertie was being charitable when he said you know less about aviation
than a cinder block.

I'm kind of the mother Theresa of usenet.


Bertie

on 5/17/2008 4:49 PM Bertie the Bunyip said the following:
Helen Waite wrote in
:

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.
You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this
newsgroup.
Good grief! The poster is NOT the only pilot who has experienced
vacuum failure in IMC. It's one of the basic things we train for. I
had vacuum failure the very first time I was in the clouds after
passing my checkride. It was a non-event.

Bertie was being charitable when he said you know less about aviation
than a cinder block.

I'm kind of the mother Theresa of usenet.

Old, dead, and smelly???

Rich Ahrens wrote in news:4833709b$0$42292$804603d3
@auth.newsreader.iphouse.com:

on 5/17/2008 4:49 PM Bertie the Bunyip said the following:
Helen Waite wrote in
:

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.
You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this
newsgroup.
Good grief! The poster is NOT the only pilot who has experienced
vacuum failure in IMC. It's one of the basic things we train for.
I
had vacuum failure the very first time I was in the clouds after
passing my checkride. It was a non-event.

Bertie was being charitable when he said you know less about
aviation
than a cinder block.

I'm kind of the mother Theresa of usenet.

Old, dead, and smelly???


You're just mean.


Bertie

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

snip

Again, you are talking to a pilot, who just experienced IMC and a
vacuum failure.

You're a very lucky pilot, then, if you're here posting to this newsgroup.

Laughably, totally, ignorantly, wrong.

He is posting because he is trained and used everything at his disposal,
which includes motion sensations and sounds, to get back on the ground
in an airplane that doesn't have a pause key.


--
Jim Pennino

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Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Did you read my post? Did you forget the fact my vacuum system wasn't
working? How can I trust the instruments?

You don't need vacuum for electric instruments.

Once again you're totally clueless. Your Directional Gyro is vacuum
driven. If you only needed electric instruments to fly, your primary
instruments wouldn't be pitot-static. If you have an electrical
problem, bus failure or inflight fire, you might lose all your
electrical instruments.


If you have no instruments and you're in IMC, you have a big problem.

Only if you don't know how to use your radios and know which senses to
trust.

Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it
yesterday.

Don't fly IFR until it's fixed.

The problem likely happened while he was in flight. In the real world,
you don't get to hit "ALT" and fiddle with your settings until things works.

Ah, why do I bother with you? You ask questions just to contradict
literally everybody who answers them regardless of the experience they
have or the official sources they quote.


-c