I give up, after many, many years!

On May 18, 3:54 am, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 20:46:40 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
What you say is true, for a good experienced pilot,
who have flown disorientation exersizes.
But I'll provide this challenge, block off the speedometer
in your car and I'll bet you'll have a problem driving.
What happens to me is I drift up to 80 MPH, then
go "holy poop".

I disagree totally. You must be numb.

Both of my vehicles sound, feel, and act significantly different at 80
than they do at 65 MPH. In top gear of my Toyota, the RPM's are about
400 higher. On the same token, It's not all that difficult to tell
25 from 35, if I try.

The wind noise is different, the tach shows a different RPM, and the
corresponding engine pitch is noticeably different.

Back to the pilot...

The _change_ in sounds is a great clue, not just that it's all
different and steady.

Yeah you've got it right.
This was wifes new Gran Caravan, almost dead quiet
inside and I was unfamiliar with it. Your thesis hinges
on a familiarity with craft.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in news:becc28f3-ebc0-
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On May 17, 8:33 pm, More_Flaps wrote:
On May 18, 1:59 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
...
After doing a weird manuever, it's hard to tell if you're
in a banking turn or a spiral dive, that's how I learned.
Maybe a good pilot could use VFR as a ref, but I was
clued in by my IAS needle going into yellow.

BS! In VFR the position of the horizon tells you the difference. In
many planes there is no AH 'cos you don't need it for VFR!
The engine noise also tells you if you are descending or climging.
Cheers

What you say is true, for a good experienced pilot,
who have flown disorientation exersizes.
But I'll provide this challenge, block off the speedometer
in your car and I'll bet you'll have a problem driving.
What happens to me is I drift up to 80 MPH, then
go "holy poop".


you're a moron.


Bertie

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On May 17, 6:37 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
A blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing about
real flight.

I'll ask again: Can you fly safely with your eyes closed, relying
only on sensations, and selectively ignoring or accepting the
sensations you feel?

What part of you must spend as much time as possible looking out
the window in VFR are you failing to understand?

You guys are hilariously arguing right past each other. MX is
arguing that you can't fly in IMC ("with your eyes closed") by the
seat of your pants -- which is 100% correct.
You, on the other hand, jrespond by arguing that of COURSE you can
fly by the seat of your pants, if only you look out the window!
God almighty, keep it up -- it's "Who's on first" all over again, and
some pretty damned good Saturday night entertainment!
:-)

After doing a weird manuever, it's hard to tell if you're
in a banking turn or a spiral dive, that's how I learned.
Maybe a good pilot could use VFR as a ref, but I was
clued in by my IAS needle going into yellow.

I was a fairly good gymnast, so my orientational
skills are likely a bit better than average.
Ken


Really? Then which planet are you on today?


Bertie

On May 17, 7:59 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

I was a fairly good gymnast, so my orientational
skills are likely a bit better than average.
Ken

Your superior orientational skills are just as useless as
everyone else's ordinary orientational skills when in IMC.

Dan

wrote in news:a5fa9e6d-deab-47d8-92ab-
:

On May 17, 7:59 pm, "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:

I was a fairly good gymnast, so my orientational
skills are likely a bit better than average.
Ken

Your superior orientational skills are just as useless as
everyone else's ordinary orientational skills when in IMC.


I'd say they were even more useless, exceptionally useless!



Bertie

In rec.aviation.piloting Jay Honeck wrote:
A blazingly stupid comment that shows you know nothing about real
flight.

I'll ask again: Can you fly safely with your eyes closed, relying only on
sensations, and selectively ignoring or accepting the sensations you
feel?

What part of you must spend as much time as possible looking out the
window in VFR are you failing to understand?

You guys are hilariously arguing right past each other. MX is arguing that
you can't fly in IMC ("with your eyes closed") by the seat of your pants --
which is 100% correct.

You, on the other hand, jrespond by arguing that of COURSE you can fly by
the seat of your pants, if only you look out the window!

If you'd have bothered to actually read the thread, VFR was specifically
under discussion.

MX shifts focus to suit his current arguement.


--
Jim Pennino

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