I give up, after many, many years!

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:

Applying power will not accelerate you downhill. Power controls altitude,
pitch controls speed. At constant pitch, increased power produces increased
lift, and thus produces a climb.

And once again you parrot something you've read without the slightest
understanding and absolutely no concept of context.

The real world is not one or zero with everything black or white.

Like a lot of what you spout, this is GENERALLY true, but not ALWAYS true.

snip remaining babbling nonsense

--
Jim Pennino

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:

Applying power will not accelerate you downhill. Power controls altitude,
pitch controls speed. At constant pitch, increased power produces increased
lift, and thus produces a climb.

And once again you parrot something you've read without the slightest
understanding and absolutely no concept of context.

Show the error.

Like a lot of what you spout, this is GENERALLY true, but not ALWAYS true.

It's considerably truer than the assertions with which I compared it.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:

Applying power will not accelerate you downhill. Power controls
altitude,
pitch controls speed. At constant pitch, increased power produces
increased
lift, and thus produces a climb.

And once again you parrot something you've read without the slightest
understanding and absolutely no concept of context.

Show the error.


Please explain how increased power can increase lift without first producing
increased velocity.

If the nose is pointed down (going downhill) , and you increase power, you
WILL descend faster.

It's one thing to blindly parrot something, but when you modify it without
understanding it, you risk saying something incredibly stupid.

Steve Foley writes:

Please explain how increased power can increase lift without first producing
increased velocity.

I never claimed that power alone would produce increased lift. However, an
increase in power will normally produce an increase in speed, all else being
equal, and so an increase in lift will result.

If the nose is pointed down (going downhill) , and you increase power, you
WILL descend faster.

Your increased speed will produce more lift, which will tend to raise the
aircraft, slowing the rate of descent and potentially leveling the aircraft or
producing a climb. For any given setting of AOA and thrust, the aircraft will
tend to converge on a specific density altitude. If AOA is held and thrust is
increased, the aircraft will converge on a higher final altitude than it would
if thrust were not increased. Increasing power (and thus thrust) at constant
AOA will produce a positive change in climb rate, because it increases the
speed of air flowing over the wings.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Your increased speed will produce more lift, which will tend to raise the
aircraft, slowing the rate of descent and potentially leveling the
aircraft or
producing a climb. For any given setting of AOA and thrust, the aircraft
will
tend to converge on a specific density altitude. If AOA is held and
thrust is
increased, the aircraft will converge on a higher final altitude than it
would
if thrust were not increased. Increasing power (and thus thrust) at
constant
AOA will produce a positive change in climb rate, because it increases the
speed of air flowing over the wings.

This is much less inaccurate than your other statement.

Steve Foley writes:

This is much less inaccurate than your other statement.

No, it is simply more detailed, which makes it harder for you to use incorrect
assumptions in an attempt to discredit it. Everyone pilot knows (or should
know) that if you increase power, you climb, all else being equal. (I know
what someone will say about this, too, but I won't deprive him of the
satisfaction of playing the game.)

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Everyone pilot knows (or should know) that if you increase power, you
climb, all else being equal.

You should have quit while you were ahead, or at least not so far behind.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Steve Foley writes:

This is much less inaccurate than your other statement.

No, it is simply more detailed, which makes it harder for you to use
incorrect assumptions in an attempt to discredit it. Everyone pilot
knows (or should know) that if you increase power, you climb, all else
being equal. (I know what someone will say about this, too, but I
won't deprive him of the satisfaction of playing the game.)

You're a moron.

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Steve Foley writes:

This is much less inaccurate than your other statement.

No, it is simply more detailed, which makes it harder for you to use incorrect
assumptions in an attempt to discredit it. Everyone pilot knows (or should
know) that if you increase power, you climb, all else being equal. (I know
what someone will say about this, too, but I won't deprive him of the
satisfaction of playing the game.)

You can't make such a basic statement like that. You *need* to say yer
straight and level.

--
Duncan

Mxsmanic wrote:
Steve Foley writes:


If the nose is pointed down (going downhill) , and you increase power, you
WILL descend faster.

Your increased speed will produce more lift, which will tend to raise the
aircraft, slowing the rate of descent and potentially leveling the aircraft or
producing a climb.


So just remember, everybody, if you're at 500 feet in a spiral dive,
and/or you're 500RPM past VNE, just increase power.

Alternatively, you can hit PAUSE, push the MAP icon and simply add a few
thousand feet to your altitude.

"Through a wide range of nose-low attitudes, a descent is the only
possible condition of flight. The addition of power at these attitudes
will only result in a greater rate of descent at a faster airspeed."
FAA-H-8083-3A 3-19.

But, hey, what does the Federal Aviation Administration know about anything?

-c