I give up, after many, many years!

On May 18, 3:11*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Steve Foley writes:
That's a hell of a statement.

Safety first.

Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. Go ahead and trust that instrument.

Hey try it in your simulator. I bet you will crash and burn in your
simulated environment.

Not for me thanks in a real airplane. I will trust but verify every
time I leave terra firma including using the seat of my pants to
verify power inputs..

This method has worked for me in the past six years of my instrument
flying, and I sure won't change it because you say put my life in
instruments without crosschecking and verifying it. Don't get me
wrong, I am still a student every time I walk on the ramp, and got
plenty to learn and open to it, but when you tell me what I feel and
do is incorrect and you have never experience the sensation of flight
in a GA plane, you have NO credibility.

With your attitude, I am glad you are using a simulator, as you
wouldn't survive the basic 180 turn for VFR pilots much less slogging
along in the clag for a couple of hours to terminate that flight with
an approach that required procedure turns and circle to land that was
one of my major accomplishments in my small corner of the world..

A Lieberman wrote in news:239a8887-7f34-42e4-b1c1-
:

With your attitude, I am glad you are using a simulator, as you
wouldn't survive the basic 180 turn for VFR pilots much less slogging
along in the clag for a couple of hours to terminate that flight with
an approach that required procedure turns and circle to land that was
one of my major accomplishments in my small corner of the world..

This newsgroup would be much better off if Anthony did try his piloting
skills in a real airplane. He'll be dead and we'll be rid of him.

On May 19, 8:55 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:

This newsgroup would be much better off if Anthony did try his piloting
skills in a real airplane. He'll be dead and we'll be rid of him.

No. That would mean that he's destroyed an aircraft.

george wrote in news:0dca79db-786f-471b-beec-
:

On May 19, 8:55 am, Benjamin Dover wrote:

This newsgroup would be much better off if Anthony did try his piloting
skills in a real airplane. He'll be dead and we'll be rid of him.

No. That would mean that he's destroyed an aircraft.


As bad as that is, it would be worth the price.

A Lieberman writes:

Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the magnetic
compass. And of course you'll want two, just in case one fails, for IFR.

Hey try it in your simulator. I bet you will crash and burn in your
simulated environment.

Hmm. I'll try it sometime.

This method has worked for me in the past six years of my instrument
flying ...

It always seems to work ... until the day that it doesn't.

Don't get me
wrong, I am still a student every time I walk on the ramp, and got
plenty to learn and open to it, but when you tell me what I feel and
do is incorrect and you have never experience the sensation of flight
in a GA plane, you have NO credibility.

Well, read a book. Talk to a CFI. It's your life, not mine.

On May 19, 7:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:
Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. *Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the magnetic
compass. *And of course you'll want two, just in case one fails, for IFR..

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from the
same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure of
gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I have
read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice from
several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump failure in
a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not allowed to
ask why I had more than one test :) )
Terry
PPL Downunder

On May 18, 2:19 pm, terry wrote:
On May 19, 7:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote: A Lieberman writes:
Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the magnetic
compass. And of course you'll want two, just in case one fails, for IFR.

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from the
same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure of
gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I have
read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice from
several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump failure in
a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not allowed to
ask why I had more than one test :) )
Terry
PPL Downunder

I like the Mxsmanic type. We could get him into the
right seat of some fella puttin in hours for a split on
the rent & gas.
Ten minutes later, I figure the Left-seater would say
SHUT the F##K UP, I'm trying to drive the friggin
airplane. I'd love a tape recording of that, bla-bla-bla.
Seriously MX, you oughta jump into the right seat
for some fun.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On May 18, 2:19 pm, terry wrote:
On May 19, 7:08 am, Mxsmanic wrote: A Lieberman
writes:
Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a
20 pitch up. Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the
magnetic compass. And of course you'll want two, just in case one
fails, for IFR.

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from
the same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure
of gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I
have read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice
from several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump
failure in a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not
allowed to ask why I had more than one test :) )
Terry
PPL Downunder

I like the Mxsmanic type. We could get him into the
right seat of some fella puttin in hours for a split on
the rent & gas.
Ten minutes later, I figure the Left-seater would say
SHUT the F##K UP, I'm trying to drive the friggin
airplane. I'd love a tape recording of that, bla-bla-bla.
Seriously MX, you oughta jump into the right seat
for some fun.
Ken


the pilot would just put you out. Good time to try out your new theory
on stealth dive bomibng for your next guv'mint contract.


Bertie

On May 18, 3:19 pm, terry wrote:

Would love to know what your sources are on that information MX. in
all the aircraft I have flown both the AI and DI were powered from the
same vacuum pump and the pump is the most common cause of failure of
gyroscopic instruments. How do I know that? not from any books I have
read, and I have many on aviation, but from first hand advice from
several flying instructors, and actually had a vacuum pump failure in
a Warrior on one of my PPL flight tests ( and you are not allowed to
ask why I had more than one test :) )

We have no vacuum pump failures anymore. Just gyro failures.
Cessna now requires a pump replacement every 500 hours, or a pump with
an inspection port that can be replaced when the vanes wear to certain
point, which takes around 1100 hours on a Lyc, less on a Continental
because of the higher rotational spped of the pump on the Cont. It's
almost always vanes worn beyond limits that cause pump failure, or
rotten and breaking-up vac hoses that release junk into the pump and
lunch it. Cessan wants those hoses replaced every 10 years. Now you
know why.
Of course, so many owners and mechanics ignore the
manufacturer's requirements that pump failures will continue to be a
major problem.

Dan

Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:

Yep, go ahead, try leveling off with an AI ERRONEOUSLY showing a 20
pitch up. Go ahead and trust that instrument.

The AI is the most reliable instrument on most aircraft, after the magnetic
compass. And of course you'll want two, just in case one fails, for IFR.


HAHAAA!!! Even the aircraft in Flight Simulator don't have redundant
AIs and compasses.

Now he's simply flailing.


-c