I give up, after many, many years!

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Did you read my post? Did you forget the fact my vacuum system wasn't
working? How can I trust the instruments?

You don't need vacuum for electric instruments.

Once again you're totally clueless. Your Directional Gyro is vacuum
driven. If you only needed electric instruments to fly, your primary
instruments wouldn't be pitot-static. If you have an electrical
problem, bus failure or inflight fire, you might lose all your
electrical instruments.


If you have no instruments and you're in IMC, you have a big problem.

Only if you don't know how to use your radios and know which senses to
trust.

Not when the vacuum system is broke. I just experienced it
yesterday.

Don't fly IFR until it's fixed.

The problem likely happened while he was in flight. In the real world,
you don't get to hit "ALT" and fiddle with your settings until things works.

Ah, why do I bother with you? You ask questions just to contradict
literally everybody who answers them regardless of the experience they
have or the official sources they quote.


-c

gatt writes:

Once again you're totally clueless. Your Directional Gyro is vacuum
driven. If you only needed electric instruments to fly, your primary
instruments wouldn't be pitot-static. If you have an electrical
problem, bus failure or inflight fire, you might lose all your
electrical instruments.

You think it terms of tiny airplanes. You can drive instruments in other ways
besides with vacuum.

Only if you don't know how to use your radios and know which senses to
trust.

No. Radios or not, if you have no instruments in IMC, you're doomed. Your
radio will not help you, and you cannot trust your senses.

The problem likely happened while he was in flight. In the real world,
you don't get to hit "ALT" and fiddle with your settings until things works.

In the real world, you find the nearest available airport and land. It's very
dangerous to fly IFR without all instruments in good working order.

You ask questions just to contradict
literally everybody who answers them regardless of the experience they
have or the official sources they quote.

At least a few of the people here are going to learn the essential rules of
IFR the hard way. I will be gracious enough, however, to not say "I told you
so" to their surviving family members.

On May 19, 6:16 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
....
No. Radios or not, if you have no instruments in IMC, you're doomed. Your
radio will not help you, and you cannot trust your senses.

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP. Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.
Ken

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On May 19, 6:16 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
...
No. Radios or not, if you have no instruments in IMC, you're doomed.
Your radio will not help you, and you cannot trust your senses.

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.


No, it isn't.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.

Another idiot. Between the two of you you couldn't get a chuck glider
airborne.


Bertie

Ken S. Tucker writes:

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.

If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.

That isn't possible.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Ken S. Tucker writes:

I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.

If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Do tel, what is, fjukkwit?


Bertie

On May 19, 6:54 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ken S. Tucker writes:
I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.

If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Is for me.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.

That isn't possible.

Sure it is.
As long as you're not accelerating, which is something
that can be sensed by audio RPM , the magnetic
compass can operate as an artificial horizon too,
because it's like a plumb-bob.
It's of course, independant of operating systems.

IIRC, the magnetic compass is on pre-flight check
list, date of calibration and ascertain operation on
taxi.
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On May 19, 6:54 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ken S. Tucker writes:
I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.
If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Is for me.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.
That isn't possible.

Sure it is.
As long as you're not accelerating, which is something
that can be sensed by audio RPM , the magnetic
compass can operate as an artificial horizon too,
because it's like a plumb-bob.
It's of course, independant of operating systems.

IIRC, the magnetic compass is on pre-flight check
list, date of calibration and ascertain operation on
taxi.
Ken


Instrument Flying Made Easy~

Most people wish to fly on the old gauges at one time or another but are
prevented by the high cost of the instruments necessary for this form of
flight. The following is a more or less known and extremely simple
method which may be used by all.

Place a live cat on the cockpit floor, because a cat always remains
upright, he or she can be used in lieu of a needle and ball instrument.
Merely watch to see which way he leans to determine if a wing is low and
if so, which one. This will enable you to your aircraft level in route
with complete accuracy and confidence.

A duck is used for final instrument approach and landing, because of the
fact that any sensible old duck will refuse to fly under instrument
conditions, it is only necessary to hurl your duck out of the cockpit
window and follow her to the ground.

There are some limitations on the cat and duck method, but by rigidly
adhering to the following check list a degree of success will be
achieved which will not only startle you, but will astonish your
passengers as well, and may have an occasional tower operator with an
open mouth.

· Get a wide-awake cat, most cats do not want to stand up all the time,
so it may be necessary to carry a fierce dog along to keep the cat at
attention.

· Make sure your cat is clean, dirty cats will spend all the time
washing. Trying to follow a washing cat usually results in a slow roll
followed by an inverted spin. You will see that this is most unprofessional.

· Old cats are the best, young cats have nine lives, but an old used up
cat with only one life left has just as much to loose and will be more
dependable.

· Avoid stray cats. Try to get one with good character because you may
want to spend time with her.

· Beware of cowardly ducks, if the duck discovers that you are using the
cat to stay upright, she will refuse to leave the airplane without the
cat. Ducks are no better on instruments than you are.

· Get a duck with good eyes. Near sighted ducks sometimes fail to
recognize that they are on the old gauges and will go flogging into the
nearest hill. Very near sighted ducks will not realize that they have
been thrown out and will descend to the ground in a sitting position.
This is a most difficult maneuver to follow in an airplane.

· Choose your duck carefully, it is easy to confuse ducks with geese.
Many large birds look alike. While they are very competent instrument
fliers, geese seldom want to go in the same direction that you do. If
your duck seems to be taking a heading to Ireland or Sweden, you may be
safe in assuming that someone has given you a goose.

(Can't recall the source, but I've always thought it was funny :-)


--
Dudley Henriques

On May 20, 2:54*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On May 19, 6:54 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ken S. Tucker writes:
I disagee. If all Instruments go dead, *go to
magnetic compass for heading, even in a fog, that's
SOP.
If you have a compass, all instruments are not dead.

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

However, that won't be enough in IMC.

Is for me.

Maintaining altitude is "seat of pants" thing, so
what? Set cruise RPM and feel airspeed.
That isn't possible.

Sure it is.
As long as you're not accelerating, which is something
that can be sensed by audio RPM , the magnetic
compass can operate as an artificial horizon too,
because it's like a plumb-bob.
It's of course, independant of operating systems.

IIRC, the magnetic compass is on pre-flight check
list, date of calibration and ascertain operation on
taxi.
Ken

Instrument Flying Made Easy~

Most people wish to fly on the old gauges at one time or another but are
prevented by the high cost of the instruments necessary for this form of
flight. The following is a more or less known and extremely simple
method which may be used by all.

Place a live cat on the cockpit floor, because a cat always remains
upright, he or she can be used in lieu of a needle and ball instrument.
Merely watch to see which way he leans to determine if a wing is low and
if so, which one. This will enable you to your aircraft level in route
with complete accuracy and confidence.

A duck is used for final instrument approach and landing, because of the
fact that any sensible old duck will refuse to fly under instrument
conditions, it is only necessary to hurl your duck out of the cockpit
window and follow her to the ground.

There are some limitations on the cat and duck method, but by rigidly
adhering to the following check list a degree of success will be
achieved which will not only startle you, but will astonish your
passengers as well, and may have an occasional tower operator with an
open mouth.

· Get a wide-awake cat, most cats do not want to stand up all the time,
so it may be necessary to carry a fierce dog along to keep the cat at
attention.

· Make sure your cat is clean, dirty cats will spend all the time
washing. Trying to follow a washing cat usually results in a slow roll
followed by an inverted spin. You will see that this is most unprofessional.

· Old cats are the best, young cats have nine lives, but an old used up
cat with only one life left has just as much to loose and will be more
dependable.

· Avoid stray cats. Try to get one with good character because you may
want to spend time with her.

· Beware of cowardly ducks, if the duck discovers that you are using the
cat to stay upright, she will refuse to leave the airplane without the
cat. Ducks are no better on instruments than you are.

· Get a duck with good eyes. Near sighted ducks sometimes fail to
recognize that they are on the old gauges and will go flogging into the
nearest hill. Very near sighted ducks will not realize that they have
been thrown out and will descend to the ground in a sitting position.
This is a most difficult maneuver to follow in an airplane.

· Choose your duck carefully, it is easy to confuse ducks with geese.
Many large birds look alike. While they are very competent instrument
fliers, geese seldom want to go in the same direction that you do. If
your duck seems to be taking a heading to Ireland or Sweden, you may be
safe in assuming that someone has given you a goose.

(Can't recall the source, but I've always thought it was funny :-)


Don't forget the canary CO detector, although you may have a problem
keeping the cat away from it. A basset hound is also a good airspeed
monitor as they love to stick their noses out the window and the
flapping ears tell you fast you are going. Again the cat may be a
distraction for the dog.

Cheers

Ken S. Tucker writes:

Well duh, it's a magnetic compass in a fluid.

The fluid can leak out.

Is for me.

You're brave.