Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff

On Mon, 19 May 2008 04:29:11 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

A Lieberman writes:



The danger in instrument flight is that all sorts of things are felt, but none
of them is reliable. It is called instrument flight because the pilot ignores
things felt and flies exclusively by the instruments.



The feeling in your rear end is no more reliable than the feeling from your
inner ear.

It sounds like your Friday incident has given you a false sense of security.

during the history of scientific endeavour there have been many
individuals who have arrived at the correct answers for the wrong
reasons.

anthony you are perpetually one of those people.

while you may occasionally say the correct things a careful read of
your posts has always revealed the fact that you have inherently an
incompetent understanding of what you write about.

Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot wrote in
:

On Mon, 19 May 2008 04:29:11 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

A Lieberman writes:



The danger in instrument flight is that all sorts of things are felt,
but none of them is reliable. It is called instrument flight because
the pilot ignores things felt and flies exclusively by the
instruments.



The feeling in your rear end is no more reliable than the feeling from
your inner ear.

It sounds like your Friday incident has given you a false sense of
security.

during the history of scientific endeavour there have been many
individuals who have arrived at the correct answers for the wrong
reasons.

anthony you are perpetually one of those people.

while you may occasionally say the correct things a careful read of
your posts has always revealed the fact that you have inherently an
incompetent understanding of what you write about.

Stealth Pilot



Difference is, he doesn;t arrive at the answer, he starts there. Then he
works his way back the Anthony land until he begins with a premise that
is straight out of alice in wonderland.



Bertie

On Tue, 20 May 2008 13:36:51 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Stealth Pilot wrote in
:

On Mon, 19 May 2008 04:29:11 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

A Lieberman writes:



The danger in instrument flight is that all sorts of things are felt,
but none of them is reliable. It is called instrument flight because
the pilot ignores things felt and flies exclusively by the
instruments.



The feeling in your rear end is no more reliable than the feeling from
your inner ear.

It sounds like your Friday incident has given you a false sense of
security.

during the history of scientific endeavour there have been many
individuals who have arrived at the correct answers for the wrong
reasons.

anthony you are perpetually one of those people.

while you may occasionally say the correct things a careful read of
your posts has always revealed the fact that you have inherently an
incompetent understanding of what you write about.

Stealth Pilot



Difference is, he doesn;t arrive at the answer, he starts there. Then he
works his way back the Anthony land until he begins with a premise that
is straight out of alice in wonderland.

Bertie

absolutely true bertie.
so you, I and others like us take on the duty of correcting his posts,
not ever in the hope of educating him but to warn others learning into
aviation that he is wrong.
personally I think we'd all be better off if we flew to paris and shot
the *******.
Stealth Pilot

On May 21, 4:22 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

Difference is, he doesn;t arrive at the answer, he starts there. Then he
works his way back the Anthony land until he begins with a premise that
is straight out of alice in wonderland.

Bertie

absolutely true bertie.
so you, I and others like us take on the duty of correcting his posts,
not ever in the hope of educating him but to warn others learning into
aviation that he is wrong.
personally I think we'd all be better off if we flew to paris and shot
the *******.
Stealth Pilot

So you mean it doesn't work because the lift fairies flap their wings
and push up on the underside of the aircraft?

Are you telling me the sky sucks????

I feel so cheap and used.

On Wed, 21 May 2008 04:52:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 21, 4:22 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:

Difference is, he doesn;t arrive at the answer, he starts there. Then he
works his way back the Anthony land until he begins with a premise that
is straight out of alice in wonderland.

Bertie

absolutely true bertie.
so you, I and others like us take on the duty of correcting his posts,
not ever in the hope of educating him but to warn others learning into
aviation that he is wrong.
personally I think we'd all be better off if we flew to paris and shot
the *******.
Stealth Pilot

So you mean it doesn't work because the lift fairies flap their wings
and push up on the underside of the aircraft?

Are you telling me the sky sucks????

I feel so cheap and used.

look you walked in late to your class and missed the introduction.
stop bothering the aeroplane people and get back into the helicopter
classes. :-)

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces. these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing and its relative speed with the
surrounding air. bernouli's theorem, newtonian mechanics etc are
theroretical models which can be used to calculate the effects of
varying various components at play in causing the pressure
differences.

simple enough.

Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot writes:

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces.

Airplanes fly because the wings divert the air through which they pass
downwards, creating a downwash and exerting a force in doing so that engenders
an opposite force that is lift.

... these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing ...

The air is diverted because the wing has a positve angle of attack. It can be
perfectly flat and it will still generate lift.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Stealth Pilot writes:

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces.

Airplanes fly because the wings divert the air through which they pass
downwards, creating a downwash and exerting a force in doing so that
engenders
an opposite force that is lift.

So near, and yet so far...

... these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing ...

The air is diverted because the wing has a positve angle of attack. It
can be
perfectly flat and it will still generate lift.

God! Grant me strength!

Peter

On May 21, 12:56 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Stealth Pilot writes:
aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces.

Airplanes fly because the wings divert the air through which they pass
downwards, creating a downwash and exerting a force in doing so that engenders
an opposite force that is lift.

... these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing ...

The air is diverted because the wing has a positve angle of attack. It can be
perfectly flat and it will still generate lift.

So you're saying the sky does suck after all?

What about rocket propulsion in a vacuum? How does that work?

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:56:35 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Stealth Pilot writes:

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces.

Airplanes fly because the wings divert the air through which they pass
downwards, creating a downwash and exerting a force in doing so that engenders
an opposite force that is lift.

... these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing ...

The air is diverted because the wing has a positve angle of attack. It can be
perfectly flat and it will still generate lift.

downwash occurs after the wing has passed. how does it transmit its
effect to the wing? magnetism?

Mxsmanic wrote:
Stealth Pilot writes:

aeroplanes fly because of lift generated by pressure differences on
the wing surfaces.

Airplanes fly because the wings divert the air through which they pass
downwards, creating a downwash and exerting a force in doing so that engenders
an opposite force that is lift.

... these pressure differences are caused by the shape
of the aerofoil of the wing ...

The air is diverted because the wing has a positve angle of attack. It can be
perfectly flat and it will still generate lift.


If that were the case a 747 would have to be producing over 250,000
pounds of force straight down. Why then am I not crushed when a 747
flies over me?