Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff

On May 20, 2:27*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:
Hopefully what I say above clears it up. *I really think we are on the
same page, just a matter of how I am wording it :-)

You'll be on the same page when you admit that you are wrong.

WRONG.

Difference of opinion does not make me or Dudley wrong. It's a
discussion.

What makes us both right is THE GOAL OF THE ultimate outcome and that
is a safe landing.

Of course knowing what MSFS is like AND flying a real airplane is
like, you will never know.

GUESS THAT MAKES YOU WRONG.

A Lieberman writes:

Difference of opinion does not make me or Dudley wrong. It's a
discussion.

If it were only different wordings for the same concept, there would be no
problem. But there are fundamental differences in what the two of you
believe.

What makes us both right is THE GOAL OF THE ultimate outcome and that
is a safe landing.

What makes Dudley right is his understand of the importance of relying on
instruments and not sensations.

On May 20, 2:59*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

What makes Dudley right is his understand of the importance of relying on
instruments and not sensations.

Show me where I say I rely on sensations AND NOT INSTRUMENTS.

You won't which makes you WRONG above.

A Lieberman writes:

Show me where I say I rely on sensations AND NOT INSTRUMENTS.

You've said multiple times that sensations tell you when something is
happening, and that you look at instruments when you feel sensations. You are
relying on sensations.

How do you trim without relying on sensations?


On May 21, 1:57 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:
Show me where I say I rely on sensations AND NOT INSTRUMENTS.

You've said multiple times that sensations tell you when something is
happening, and that you look at instruments when you feel sensations. You are
relying on sensations.

"Tina" wrote

How do you trim without relying on sensations?


On May 21, 1:57 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:
Show me where I say I rely on sensations AND NOT INSTRUMENTS.

You've said multiple times that sensations tell you when something is
happening, and that you look at instruments when you feel sensations.
You are
relying on sensations.


In the PC sim the trim is just like another elevator. You hold the yoke in
the position for level flight, trim in the appropriate direction, then move
the yoke to the new position for level flight, rinse and repeat.

It's just like flying, only different. :)

BDS

We trim by holding the yoke, and adjust trim to reduce perceived
pressure. That is very much a sensation and the use of sensation to
fly the airplane correctly.

The point being, we are using sensation to correctly fly an airplane
in actual IMC, or VFR, or whatever.


Anyone who asserts we do not use those kinds of sensations are not
appropriate is incorrect.


On May 21, 3:06 pm, "BDS" wrote:
"Tina" wrote



How do you trim without relying on sensations?

On May 21, 1:57 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
A Lieberman writes:
Show me where I say I rely on sensations AND NOT INSTRUMENTS.

You've said multiple times that sensations tell you when something is
happening, and that you look at instruments when you feel sensations.
You are
relying on sensations.

In the PC sim the trim is just like another elevator. You hold the yoke in
the position for level flight, trim in the appropriate direction, then move
the yoke to the new position for level flight, rinse and repeat.

It's just like flying, only different. :)

BDS