Outside reference in IMC

Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint: qualification
is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace where you could be IMC
and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight plan...where are they?

--
Regards, BobF.
"romeomike" wrote in message
...
Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Lack of VFR does not imply you are in IMC. Lack of VFR only implies
that you need to be on an IFR flight plan.


From the AIM: "Instrument Meteorological Conditions--Meteorological
conditions expressed in terms of visibility, distance from cloud, and
ceiling less than the minima specified for visual meteorological
conditions." So if you are not in VMC you are in IMC and fly under IFR.

"Bob F." wrote in
:

Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint:
qualification is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace
where you could be IMC and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight
plan...where are they?


Glass G airspace. Lot's of it out west.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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On May 20, 9:11 pm, Marty Shapiro
wrote:
"Bob F." wrote m:

Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint:
qualification is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace
where you could be IMC and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight
plan...where are they?

Glass G airspace. Lot's of it out west.


Even in class G you must still follow all the IFR rules, except you
don't need a ATC clearance.

Andrew Sarangan wrote in
:

On May 20, 9:11 pm, Marty Shapiro
wrote:
"Bob F." wrote
m:

Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint:
qualification is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace
where you could be IMC and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight
plan...where are they?

Glass G airspace. Lot's of it out west.


Even in class G you must still follow all the IFR rules, except you
don't need a ATC clearance.





All of them? Any FAR which states "when operating is controlled air space"
doesn't apply. That still leaves a few, but most of them are gone.

Communication with ATC? Not required in G.

Flight plan? Not required in G. No need to file or activate.

Altitude? Well, yes. But with no ATC communication requirement, you can
change it anytime you want. Unless I missed something in a quick scan,
91.179 doesn't address altitudes below 2,000' AGL and over a flat area,
such as a desert, you only need to be 1,000' AGL per 91.177. So, the rules
on altidude based on direction of flight does not necessarily apply. If
they did in G which only goes to 1,200' AGL, all IFR traffic there would be
one way.

Fuel on board? Well, I guess if you got ramped checked, you should have
statutory IFR reserves on departure, but since you're not required to have
a flight plan in G, what would be used to determine if you met IFR
reserves?

Malfunctions? No report required in G.

Instrument currency? Absolutely must have. No exceptions for class G!

SFAR 97 only applies to published routes, which are at least class E.

So, although it would be very stupid to do so, you can fly IFR in class G
airspace and not follow most of the IFR rules.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Cruising altitude requirements still apply, and I am not seeing where
any exemption is made for 2000' AGL. But it does seem like traffic
has to be only one-way in areas where class G only extends up to
1200'. This is a bit confusing, but perhaps a moot point.


On May 21, 3:43 am, Marty Shapiro
wrote:
Andrew Sarangan wrote :



On May 20, 9:11 pm, Marty Shapiro
wrote:
"Bob F." wrote
m:

Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint:
qualification is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace
where you could be IMC and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight
plan...where are they?

Glass G airspace. Lot's of it out west.

Even in class G you must still follow all the IFR rules, except you
don't need a ATC clearance.

All of them? Any FAR which states "when operating is controlled air space"
doesn't apply. That still leaves a few, but most of them are gone.

Communication with ATC? Not required in G.

Flight plan? Not required in G. No need to file or activate.

Altitude? Well, yes. But with no ATC communication requirement, you can
change it anytime you want. Unless I missed something in a quick scan,
91.179 doesn't address altitudes below 2,000' AGL and over a flat area,
such as a desert, you only need to be 1,000' AGL per 91.177. So, the rules
on altidude based on direction of flight does not necessarily apply. If
they did in G which only goes to 1,200' AGL, all IFR traffic there would be
one way.

Fuel on board? Well, I guess if you got ramped checked, you should have
statutory IFR reserves on departure, but since you're not required to have
a flight plan in G, what would be used to determine if you met IFR
reserves?

Malfunctions? No report required in G.

Instrument currency? Absolutely must have. No exceptions for class G!

SFAR 97 only applies to published routes, which are at least class E.

So, although it would be very stupid to do so, you can fly IFR in class G
airspace and not follow most of the IFR rules.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT to email me)

Bob F. wrote:
Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint:
qualification is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace
where you could be IMC and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight
plan...where are they?

Yeah, and I live there.

On May 20, 7:30*pm, "Bob F." wrote:
Extra credit points! *The statement below is incomplete (hint: qualification
is missing). *There are lots of places in US airspace where you could be IMC
and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight plan...where are they?

Where Mx has never departed with him flying a real plane.......
Unless secretarial chairs have the ability to leave the (G)round.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:30:20 -0400, "Bob F."
wrote:

Extra credit points! The statement below is incomplete (hint: qualification
is missing). There are lots of places in US airspace where you could be IMC
and NOT fly under IFR rules, and no flight plan...where are they?

Class G space.