Outside reference in IMC

On May 20, 11:21*pm, romeomike wrote:

I'm not an ultimate authority on this, but I don't get your instructor's
point of view. If someone else can explain how in this scenario one can
safely fly without reference to instruments, you and I are sure to learn
something.

Yep, I didn't get it either but in the full scheme of things, I wasn't
complaining, as at least I had an instructor who wasn't afraid of
touching a cloud. He went on to the regionals, and my second
instructor wouldn't fly in ceilings less then 1000.and my airport
minimums was 1/2 that.

On the other hand, the second instructor had much better cockpit
management so I did have the best of both worlds.

wrote:


Yep, I didn't get it either but in the full scheme of things, I wasn't



Could it have been a situation where you got authorization for
VFR-on-top to do some air work?

Of course in that case you would not have been just 50 feet above the
cloud layer

because you would have had to comply with VFR cloud clearances.

On May 21, 12:11*am, romeomike wrote:
wrote:

Could it have been a situation where you got authorization for
VFR-on-top to do some air work?

Of course in that case you would not have been just 50 feet above the
cloud layer

because you would have had to comply with VFR cloud clearances.

No, I wished at that time because I was whipped after that lesson! As
you suspected, it was airwork, but it was a local IFR clearance. This
was my second time in IMC, and before doing actual approaches in IMC
for the first time, he had me do some basic airwork in the practice
area. We had ask for a block altitude from 2000 to 4000 feet and he
had me do climbing turns and such. We topped out at about 2500 feet
or so, so he made me dip back down to 2000.

Needless to say, only one minute climbing turns. :-)

I love that trick he showed me about picking up local IFR clearances.
I call CD at my airport, and ask for local IFR clearance to do my IFR
currency. I don't file any flight plans to touch a cloud and no fuss
no muss. It always helps to have really good controllers willing to
work with me that we do have at KJAN as well, so the system really
does work.

writes:

Yep, I didn't get it either but in the full scheme of things, I wasn't
complaining, as at least I had an instructor who wasn't afraid of
touching a cloud.

Even a cloud with a 757 hiding inside?

Is a macho instructor better than a competent instructor? Is it bad to be
afraid of something that can get you killed?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

Yep, I didn't get it either but in the full scheme of things, I
wasn't complaining, as at least I had an instructor who wasn't afraid
of touching a cloud.

Even a cloud with a 757 hiding inside?

Is a macho instructor better than a competent instructor? Is it bad
to be afraid of something that can get you killed?


You're a total ****ing ignoramus Anthony. Saying one had an instructor who
was not afraid to touch a cloud has absolutely nothing to do with machismo
or flaunting FAA regulations, be they VFR, IFR, or any other area. You
have no idea what that phrase really means and are simply displaying your
lack of knowlege about aviation just so you can see your post in the
nesgroup. You are a complete and total fraud. You have no real intereste
in aviation. What a maroon!

Buster Hymen writes:

Saying one had an instructor who
was not afraid to touch a cloud has absolutely nothing to do with machismo
or flaunting FAA regulations, be they VFR, IFR, or any other area.

Yes, it does.

The FAA wants you to keep a certain distance from clouds because under VFR you
are maintaining visual separation, and you cannot see what might be inside
those clouds. If you get to close, and another aircraft comes out of the
cloud, you may not have time to react safely.

What a maroon!

Do you see the irony in this?

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Buster Hymen writes:

Saying one had an instructor who
was not afraid to touch a cloud has absolutely nothing to do with
machismo or flaunting FAA regulations, be they VFR, IFR, or any other
area.

Yes, it does.

The FAA wants you to keep a certain distance from clouds because under
VFR you are maintaining visual separation, and you cannot see what
might be inside those clouds. If you get to close, and another
aircraft comes out of the cloud, you may not have time to react
safely.

What a maroon!

Do you see the irony in this?


You are soooo ****ing stooopid. You can legally AND safely fly 50' (and
less) from a cloud while VFR. Been there, done that, no big deal.
Something you won't learn on MSFS, you fjukktard.

All your posts are predicated on your total lack of understanding of real
aviation. All you do is regurgitate stuff which in your total lack of
experience you think might be applicable, but in fact is wrong. You don't
understand aviation one whit. You never have and you never will.

Buster Hymen writes:

You are soooo ****ing stooopid. You can legally AND safely fly 50' (and
less) from a cloud while VFR. Been there, done that, no big deal.

In Class C, D, E, and G, you must maintain 2000' of lateral clearance from the
clouds under VFR (except under 1200' AGL in Class G), below 10,000' MSL.
Flying only 50' away from a cloud under VFR is illegal under these conditions.

The main reason for this is that there may be other aircraft in the clouds.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...

Flying only 50' away from a cloud under VFR is illegal under these
conditions.

It's also illegal while intoxicated, if you don't have a pilot certficiate,
if you don't have a medical, if you are taking prescription meds, and a host
of other reasons.

That's not what he was referring to either.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...

In Class C, D, E, and G, you must maintain 2000' of lateral clearance from
the
clouds under VFR (except under 1200' AGL in Class G), below 10,000' MSL.

The above statement is incorrect.