Bothering a Pilot on Final

On 2008-05-27 11:34:06 -0700, Larry Dighera said:

On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT), gliderguynj
wrote in
:

I understand the person was trying to be helpful but.....

The FAA regulations and Advisory Circulars only mention broadcasting
position on CTAF. There is no mention of communicating air-to-air.

I know CTAF is being used for almost everything but that for which it
is intended. But that doesn't make it okay.

Personally, I limit my CTAF transmissions to announcing my position,
and nothing else.

Personally, I have better things to do than to worry about what other
pilots are saying on the radio.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:

Personally, I have better things to do than to worry about what other
pilots are saying on the radio.

Respectfully, CJ,

That attitude may well get you killed, and would certainly get you
booted out of my cockpit.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Personally, I have better things to do than to worry about what other
pilots are saying on the radio.

Respectfully, CJ,

That attitude may well get you killed, and would certainly get you
booted out of my cockpit.

Mine, as well.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 2008-05-29 12:39:04 -0700, Scott Skylane said:

C J Campbell wrote:

Personally, I have better things to do than to worry about what other
pilots are saying on the radio.

Respectfully, CJ,

That attitude may well get you killed, and would certainly get you
booted out of my cockpit.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Respectfully, obsessing about whether another pilot is misusing the
radio, as Larry does, is far more likely to get you killed and
certainly would get you booted out of *my* cockpit.

You know, I listen to what other pilots have to say on the radio. I
simply do not have time to criticize what they say or grade them on
their performance. Guys like Larry are one reason that student pilots
are afraid of using the radio. They are terrified of offending some
radio nanny who is going to stomp all over them for saying "please
advise," a phrase that they may hear all the time from professional
pilots. I have heard a pilot ream a student over the air on the tower
frequency for a solid ten minutes because he thought the student was
stumbling on his transmissions too much. How is that for misusing the
radio?

It is very difficult to teach proper radio procedures as it is without
the extremely rude and even violent discussion that frequently pervades
news groups like this.

Limiting your communication to simply announcing your position is
stupid and dangerous. There is absolutely no reason not to be clear in
who is going to be landing first, for example. If there is any doubt
about another pilot's intentions you should be free to ask rather than
be silent for fear of 'misusing' the radio. Similarly, I think it is
better to say "I don't see you" instead of keeping silent and hitting
someone mid-air.

I swear, there seem to be an awful lot of idiots around here who are
determined to be 'right,' even if it kills them. People who are so
fanatical about not breaking some imagined rule prohibiting air-to-air
communication that they are willing to die to prove a point are, IMHO,
psychologically unfit to be pilots.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On May 29, 11:27 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2008-05-29 12:39:04 -0700, Scott Skylane said:

C J Campbell wrote:

Personally, I have better things to do than to worry about what other
pilots are saying on the radio.

Respectfully, CJ,

That attitude may well get you killed, and would certainly get you
booted out of my cockpit.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane

Respectfully, obsessing about whether another pilot is misusing the
radio, as Larry does, is far more likely to get you killed and
certainly would get you booted out of *my* cockpit.

Obsessing is a harsh word, consider the communications
foul-up that killed 500 people,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerif...understandings

Personally, I think most pilots formulate what
they are going to say prior to keying the mike,
to provide controller with who I am, position and
intent, clearly and briefly, and of course other
pilots hear that brief to.
I've never heard excessive chatter, tho I got a
little close to a fella flying NORDO, who flew
under me while I was on final, so I aborted and
did another circuit.
....
It is very difficult to teach proper radio procedures as it is without
the extremely rude and even violent discussion that frequently pervades
news groups like this.

Radio work is quite easy, just go talk to the local
controller and he'll brief you, he's the pro.
Ken

On Fri, 30 May 2008 00:27:36 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker"
wrote:

I've never heard excessive chatter

Now that it's coming on to summer, I find that it's a rare
flight--especially on a fine Friday, Saturday, or Sunday--when I don't
hear excessive chatter. Today it was a long-drawn-out conversation at
Spencer airport in Massachusetts. Somebody was heading south. They
discussed the destination, and in what plane. Then a volley of "Have a
good day" "Yeah you too" and all that sh*t. It seemed to go on for
five minutes, but I suppose it was only two or three.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

"Cubdriver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
...

They discussed the destination, and in what plane.

Gee, I hope it wasn't mine.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 17:38:57 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

They discussed the destination, and in what plane.

Gee, I hope it wasn't mine.

"Are you in the Cub?"

"Nope. In the xxxxx."

(You immediately came to mind, Steve

I can't remember where the Wanderer was going. New York?

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

On May 30, 8:45 am, Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 00:27:36 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
I've never heard excessive chatter

Now that it's coming on to summer, I find that it's a rare
flight--especially on a fine Friday, Saturday, or Sunday--when I don't
hear excessive chatter. Today it was a long-drawn-out conversation at
Spencer airport in Massachusetts. Somebody was heading south. They
discussed the destination, and in what plane. Then a volley of "Have a
good day" "Yeah you too" and all that sh*t. It seemed to go on for
five minutes, but I suppose it was only two or three.

Is there provision for mis-use of communications?
I read there was, but I don't recall it being applied.
If I was a controller, it would drive me batty hearing
that drivel constipate the control frequency.

Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollinswww.FlyingTigersBook.com
Cheers
Ken

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
On May 30, 8:45 am, Cubdriver usenet AT danford DOT net wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 00:27:36 -0700 (PDT), "Ken S. Tucker"

wrote:
I've never heard excessive chatter
Now that it's coming on to summer, I find that it's a rare
flight--especially on a fine Friday, Saturday, or Sunday--when I don't
hear excessive chatter. Today it was a long-drawn-out conversation at
Spencer airport in Massachusetts. Somebody was heading south. They
discussed the destination, and in what plane. Then a volley of "Have a
good day" "Yeah you too" and all that sh*t. It seemed to go on for
five minutes, but I suppose it was only two or three.

Is there provision for mis-use of communications?
I read there was, but I don't recall it being applied.
If I was a controller, it would drive me batty hearing
that drivel constipate the control frequency.

I don't believe anyone here is talking about such communication on a
frequency in use by ATC. CTAF frequencies are what is being discussed.